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So, Wandavision?

cbwjm

Hero
Looks like she's turned a small area into her own Pleasantville. Vision is starting to get suspicious and the rest of the people, are they trapped here or were they made by Wanda?
 

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MarkB

Legend
The part where she rewrote Vision's suspicions was particularly unsettling in its implications. Either he really is just another fictional character for her to do with as she likes, or else she's casually mind-controlling him.
 

pukunui

Legend
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Looks like she's turned a small area into her own Pleasantville. Vision is starting to get suspicious and the rest of the people, are they trapped here or were they made by Wanda?
I think they’re trapped based on that one clip from the trailer where Agnes asked if someone is there to rescue them.

Not sure about Vision.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
The part where she rewrote Vision's suspicions was particularly unsettling in its implications. Either he really is just another fictional character for her to do with as she likes, or else she's casually mind-controlling him.
That’s what I thought when I watched it, too, but it’s so much smoother than the rewind that I have to wonder if it might have been done by another entity.

If it was Wanda, she’s gotten much better at it since the rewind.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
The part where she rewrote Vision's suspicions was particularly unsettling in its implications. Either he really is just another fictional character for her to do with as she likes, or else she's casually mind-controlling him.
I think she rewound time?
 

I'm pretty sure it was Wanda herself doing it. But instead of a rewind we just got a jumpcut to rewind the scene. It looks as if SWORD is trying to send in operatives, but Wanda got wise of it that she didn't belong. Which raises the question, do the rest of the characters belong there? Did Wanda bring them in against their will and rewrite their memories? Or were they created by Wanda, but became self aware? Vision is becoming aware of it as well, but did Wanda actually recreate him?

The shot outside showed some sort of energy bubble. This seems to confirm our suspicions that she has created some kind of pocket reality for herself that SWORD is having great trouble penetrating.

This show now has be pretty invested. They've hooked me. I hope they keep it up.
 


pukunui

Legend
The part where she rewrote Vision's suspicions was particularly unsettling in its implications. Either he really is just another fictional character for her to do with as she likes, or else she's casually mind-controlling him.
I don't think he's just a "fictional character" because otherwise Wanda would have been able to write him in such a way as to never become suspicious of the unreality of his situation. I think he's a real being, and that's why she's having to rewind / redo things in an effort to keep him from getting suspicious.

If I understand correctly, he wanted a normal life / relationship with her. He didn't get that thanks to Thanos. So now Wanda is trying to give him that opportunity but is keeping him in the dark about the fact it's all fake.

Now that we know it's not all in Wanda's head but is happening in the physical world, we now need to figure out whether Westview is more like the Truman Show, with actors pretending to be Vision's friends and neighbors, or more like a Delos park, with Wanda trying to stop Vision (and everyone else) from figuring out that they're robots. Or something.

In short, I'm hooked too and can't wait for the big reveal!


I'm also wondering if maybe the other people in Westview are all real people that Wanda has "kidnapped" and that, at some stage, her magic is going to affect them and turn most / all of them into a new crop of superheroes / villains ... perhaps creating the multiverse of madness in the process!
 

The part where she rewrote Vision's suspicions was particularly unsettling in its implications. Either he really is just another fictional character for her to do with as she likes, or else she's casually mind-controlling him.

This is post-Endgame, so Vision is dead. He is not real, or at least not yet, if some of the theories are to be believed.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
This is post-Endgame, so Vision is dead. He is not real, or at least not yet, if some of the theories are to be believed.
He must at least be independent from Wanda’s control, because we see him think and react to things outside of her presence/perception. I haven’t ruled out the possibility that he is a construct of Wanda’s reality-bending that she has given an AI. Possibly un/subconsciously.
 

pukunui

Legend
This is post-Endgame, so Vision is dead. He is not real, or at least not yet, if some of the theories are to be believed.
He is supposed to be dead, yes. But whatever he is, I think he is still real. Real enough that the others can see him. Real enough that, as @Rune says, he can do things independently of Wanda. Real enough that she has to rewind/rewrite his memory to keep him from discovering the truth of their situation.
 

He must at least be independent from Wanda’s control, because we see him think and react to things outside of her presence/perception. I haven’t ruled out the possibility that he is a construct of Wanda’s reality-bending that she has given an AI. Possibly un/subconsciously.
He is supposed to be dead, yes. But whatever he is, I think he is still real. Real enough that the others can see him. Real enough that, as @Rune says, he can do things independently of Wanda. Real enough that she has to rewind/rewrite his memory to keep him from discovering the truth of their situation.

But if someone, or some organization, is controlling this, and Wanda only has limited ability to adjust things, "Vision" could have been programmed to act just this way, to push her limits or something.

And since they seem to be using a lot of the comics storyline this is taken from, they may also be using other storylines involving Vision and his brain patterns/consciousness being merged with other characters, one of which is Wonderman, the same character still visible in the blurred out image of the storyboards from the Behind the Scenes interviews.

Just because we did not see it happen in a movie, does not mean it has not happened behind the scenes.
 

pming

Hero
Hiya!

I'm kinda digging it, tbh. I didn't think I would, but I am. A nice surprise! :)

As for what it "is" or what is "going on"... right from the trailers for it I got nothing but "Mojo World" vibes. I'm sure someone has mentioned this. For those that don't know what I'm talking about: "Mojo" is a powerful alien who rules an entire planet that is, effectively, hyper-focused on "TV Entertainment". Look up "X-Men Mojo World series". Had one of my all-time favourite characters in this one... "Spiral"! LOVE that character!

Another possibility I've considered... "The Shaper of Worlds". This would make sense in that it is "WANDAVision" and not "VISIONWanda" (well, that and the name... ; ) ). The Shaper is a "Cosmic Entity" classed 'bad guy' who can, quite literally, re-write reality on a global scale. He looks dumb af, imnsho, but his schtick is that he has no actual imagination himself...so he draws out from the peoples minds; think Matrix, but on steroids.

No matter the reason 'behind' the show...I am enjoying the "Super-Heroes in Pleasantville" vibe. :)

^_^

Paul L. Ming
 

Rune

Once A Fool
But if someone, or some organization, is controlling this, and Wanda only has limited ability to adjust things, "Vision" could have been programmed to act just this way, to push her limits or something.
Maybe, but Vision’s confusion/suspicion while talking with Agnes and Herb about Monica seems incongruous with that. Agnes shouldn’t have to hide anything from him if he’s just a program. Unless she is representing a separate interest, of course.
 

Maybe, but Vision’s confusion/suspicion while talking with Agnes and Herb about Monica seems incongruous with that. Agnes shouldn’t have to hide anything from him if he’s just a program. Unless she is representing a separate interest, of course.

But if this is all in Wanda's head or something, why would there be any interaction at all between the other "residents" when out of her awareness/hearing/sight range? Like the stuff between the doctor and Vision at the doctor's house. And the doctor saying small towns are impossible to get away from? If everything is under her control, I would expect side bits like that would not happen.

Plus, that whole bit at the very end, showing the big military encampment and that force field bubble thing, made me think of it as a containment system keeping her in and not them trying to get in to her and get her out. But that part is hard to tell with a frame by frame look at that scene.
 

Eric V

Hero
The Vision here is a reconstruction by Wanda, to the best of her ability, which would include his inquisitive nature. I suppose then, that's why he starts to get suspicious...
...until she re-adjusts him.

That's my theory.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
But if this is all in Wanda's head or something, why would there be any interaction at all between the other "residents" when out of her awareness/hearing/sight range? Like the stuff between the doctor and Vision at the doctor's house. And the doctor saying small towns are impossible to get away from? If everything is under her control, I would expect side bits like that would not happen.

Plus, that whole bit at the very end, showing the big military encampment and that force field bubble thing, made me think of it as a containment system keeping her in and not them trying to get in to her and get her out. But that part is hard to tell with a frame by frame look at that scene.
Agreed. If it’s all Wanda’s construct, at least some of the residents would seem to be capable of independent thought (and may not be native).

Since you mention the outside world, did anyone else notice that there’s a billboard for West View on the outside? Monica goes flying past it. I wonder how that features in.
 

pukunui

Legend
Since you mention the outside world, did anyone else notice that there’s a billboard for West View on the outside? Monica goes flying past it. I wonder how that features in.
That's what makes me wonder if perhaps it's a real town that she has "taken over" by encasing it in a bubble or something. The neighbors are real people that she's brainwashed / mind-controlled / otherwise convinced to play along (or are actors who are being paid to play along) or something.
 

Given the fact that we saw a SWORD operative talking to Wanda through the radio, asking who was doing this to her, it seems a fair bet that SWORD is investigating Wanda's world and trying to help her. The billboard was a good catch. This does imply that not all of Westview is of her making. In fact, her two neighbors hint at Vision that they are all trapped here.

Was the beekeeper a first attempt by SWORD to inject an operative? It seems they are trying to make Wanda remember her trauma in order to put an end to her reality bending pocket dimension and free the people trapped within.

It also seems Vision is a completely reconstructed self aware and independently thinking being. He is real, but a copy I think, created by Wanda, and kept in the dark about reality. She literally seems to brainwash him when he starts to catch on.
 
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Rune

Once A Fool
Was the beekeeper a first attempt by SWORD to inject an operative? It seems they are trying to make Wanda remember her trauma in order to put an end to her reality bending pocket dimension and free the people trapped within.
Monica has been in since episode 1. Although, she didn’t seem to remember her name or mission.

Edited to reflect my error: Monica sppears in episode 2, not 1.
 
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