OGL So was it a poison pill?

mamba

Hero
If you made 800k and they only too 25% of the (800-750) = 12.5k.
12.5k to license something that made 800k on?
That is laughable. And all you do is increase the price a little.
If you make 2M however and expected a 8% profit margin over the whole thing however… the problem is you have no idea how much you will end up with. Getting much more revenue than expected might ironically eat up all the profit you would otherwise have had, and then some

When someone pointed this out to KS and said that this would kill all 5e kickstarters, they agreed, and they should know…

As to removing the clause, I believe it when I see it, and by that I mean a perpetual and irrevocable 2.0. Otherwise it is not removed but delayed by a few months
 

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JEB

Legend
I agree that OGL 1.1 was a poison pill, but I don't believe it was intended to flat out stop people from making content. Rather, I think they probably wanted to drive significant 3PP to approach WotC to negotiate a less onerous license deal.
Indeed. A less onerous deal is supposedly what Wizards offered 3PPs in December... though it was still a bad deal (especially compared to OGL 1.0).
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
LOL!

The original post video from DungeonCraft compares Hasbro-WotC to the "lizard people" from the scifi series "V". "They pulled of their skin. You cant unsee that."

Lizard people from V.png
 


Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I agree and disagree. I do think they intentionally made 1.1 (or the version of it that leaked) something few if any publishers would want to accept. But I think that’s because they wanted publishers to negotiate for better deals. Never open with an offer you think the other party will accept. What they didn’t count on was the 3PP community to reject even the idea of negotiating at all.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
Because of the reportings across the fiscal year, DungeonCraft recommends staying away from DnDBeyond for at least 6 months to a year, in order to pressure Hasbro-WotC to sign the SRDs to the upcoming ORC license.
 
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WillPhillips

Explorer
Because of the reportings across the fiscal year, DungeonCraft recommends staying away from DnDBeyond for at least 6 months to a year, in order to pressure Hasbro-WotC to sign the SRDs to the upcoming ORC license.
It's going to take more than just canceling for a month, that's for certain. Hasbro is certainly wagering that people will forget about all this and they can just move on with their original plan.

(This maybe gloating in some ways, but I'm glad I'm not tied up in 5E gaming these days )
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
It's going to take more than just canceling for a month, that's for certain. Hasbro is certainly wagering that people will forget about all this and they can just move on with their original plan.

(This maybe gloating in some ways, but I'm glad I'm not tied up in 5E gaming these days )
I suspect Hasbro-WotC is waiting to see what happens after the movie coming out, which is still some time away.

I doubt they dont want people boycotting the movie tho.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots

100% that gnome
I doubt they dont want people boycotting the movie tho.
I suspect the movie's firm release date is what's lending a lot of urgency to the situation for Hasbro. The film will be a success or failure without D&D fans, but that first weekend's revenues -- which is what tells theaters whether to keep a movie around for longer -- will be based on existing fans in large part.

They need most of us to still want to see it.
 

My theory is different.

Sharks from Hasbro wanted to earn more money, and they created a plan. Members of WotC realised fastly this was a really wrong strategy because the sharks don't understand really the mind of players, this market, but they couldn't say no to be not fired. Then the answer was to allow the actions by the sharks knowing it was going to be a epic failure, and then members of WotC can now dare to say the sharks were totally wrong, and these should allow WotC's staff to follow their own style.
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
I have a hard time looking at OGL 1.1 and seeing a devious master plan, rather than gross incompetence*.

* including a stunning misreading -- or lack of reading -- of the D&D and RPG communities.

This s the baker's son taking over the business and making the bakery into a coffeeshop because he thinks he can be the next Starbucks.
 
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