Note that you also have to meet the feat prerequisites to take them. To get the plate armor feat, you need 15 str and 15 con. If you intend to armor your wizard, chances are you will stop at leather armor, as it has no str or con prereqs. Even hide armor requires 13 str and 13 con.
Some rule clarification please?
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ender_wiggin
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Also, if you multiclass from Paladin, you will be primarily a paladin (who happens to dabble in the arcane arts).
You can't build Level 1 Ftr / Level 19 Wiz anymore.
You can't build Level 1 Ftr / Level 19 Wiz anymore.
Majoru Oakheart
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The way multiclassing works in 4e is that you never actually get a second class. You have only 1 class forever. You can take feats to swap some of you powers for ones from another class but you can never get the class features of your second class.Lanefan said:
If you are fighter at first level, then at 30, you'll be Fighter 30(with some wizard multiclass feats).
Thasmodious
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Multiclassing is quite different. You multiclass through feats that give you some powers/abilities/skills from another class. The number of multiclass feats you take controls how far into multiclassing you go. So you can't 1 lvl dip for a variety of additional benefits to your main class.
Ricochet
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What would prevent anyone from using a plate mail right off the bat?
And if 15 strength is the requirement for the feat, but you can wear the thing without the feat (at a penalty), that won't prevent anyone from equipping it either.
The only negative in NOT having all those feats and meeting the prerequisites for them is a -2 ?
You could still don it, right? Seems.. wrong.
And if 15 strength is the requirement for the feat, but you can wear the thing without the feat (at a penalty), that won't prevent anyone from equipping it either.
The only negative in NOT having all those feats and meeting the prerequisites for them is a -2 ?
You could still don it, right? Seems.. wrong.
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Ricochet
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jtrowell said:
I could just spend some of the 4-6 feats on feats improving my attack rolls and/or reflex defenses, and I'd be on equal ground again (likely with feats to spare).
From what I read, the feat "Lightning Reflexes" still exists (+2 reflex defense), so that's halfway there.
The penalty of wearing armor vs. the amount of feat + prerequisites I need to avoid said penalty seems incredibly unfair imo.
Why not just say "You can't wear these armors without so-and-so feat"? Why allow the option, or at the very least, why not penalize it more. My wizard can wear a full plate + 5 at the expense of 2 to hit attack rolls... I'll take that trade any day. It might play different, but I guess we'll see next week
Amazingly enough I have never trained fighting in chainmail, yet I've worn it around with no training at all. It does make many things much harder to do, like picking something up off the ground, or performing certain bodily functions, or carrying more than two beers...
With "proper" planning you can keep cloth armour within 3-4 points of plate armour...
With "proper" planning you can keep cloth armour within 3-4 points of plate armour...
there are no such feats. Clerics, warlords can give out attack bonuses, and other classes can give combat advantage or defense penalties, but thats it. Attacks are 1/2 level + stat+ enhancement bonus and... that seems to be all. So a -2 is really bad, and you can't get that backParagonofVirtue said:
You could do that. Or you could just wear nothing and keep your int bonus to defense. You're AC will only be 3-4 points lower, and that gap will actually shrink as you go up in level. By 21st or 28th level, there won't *be* a difference.Why not just say "You can't wear these armors without so-and-so feat"? Why allow the option, or at the very least, why not penalize it more. My wizard can wear a full plate + 5 at the expense of 2 to hit attack rolls... I'll take that trade any day. It might play different, but I guess we'll see next week
