Sorcerer + Wizard uses of Permanency Spell

[Sejs]

I agree with Glasse. Perm for a sorcerer is a poor choice. If you want to get something permanent buy a scroll, and don't get to attached to your new ability

 

[Kae'Yoss]

What you do is let him make permanent spells cast by others or by scrolls or whatever he wants. and then you cast dispel magic, and then you laugh at him for taking permanency as a spell.

I very much believe that if some DM did that and laughed me in the face, I'd punch him in the face.

Considering how dispels should become a consistent feature of mid-high level fights, very few people can keep something permanent for more than 3 or 4 encounters. It's wasted xp, and a wasted known slot.

Perfect candidate for a house rule: permanent effects can only be suppressed, not dispelled (they're just like magic items).

But still, permanency is nothing a sorcerer should have. Better buy scrolls for it, for you won't use that spell very often, maybe two dozen times until 20th. I'll probably use chain lightning well over a hundred times in that time span.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

I very much believe that if some DM did that and laughed me in the face, I'd punch him in the face.



Perfect candidate for a house rule: permanent effects can only be suppressed, not dispelled (they're just like magic items).

But still, permanency is nothing a sorcerer should have. Better buy scrolls for it, for you won't use that spell very often, maybe two dozen times until 20th. I'll probably use chain lightning well over a hundred times in that time span.

The Dm who didn't go to great length to explain why perm is a poor choice might deserve a punch in the face. But the player who still took perm deserves to be laughed at.


And yes it deserves a house rule, I run it more like incarnate, you can destroy it only with mord disjunction, or perm itself and spending the exp it cost to create it to destroy it.

 

[Lord Thurham]

Dispel in itself has a limitation, it dispels the highest failed spell level first, so, would the effect of say... Darkvision still be in effect? but just not permenant? Or has the duration long passed? Or does Dispel dispel the Dark Vision with Permenancy (meaning both spells...) Few questions on that one... heh

Gotta go researching, I'll be back!

LT

 

[Kae'Yoss]

The Dm who didn't go to great length to explain why perm is a poor choice might deserve a punch in the face. But the player who still took perm deserves to be laughed at.

The way you described it it sounded as if the DM didn't say anything about permanency being a bad choice, but only waiting for a player making such a fault and punishing and ridiculing him for it. Such DM's are in constant danger of punchs and other such bad things (I'd avoid such DM's altogether, especially since they'd probably keep the dice I threw at them, and throw I would! )

 

[Shard O'Glase]

The way you described it it sounded as if the DM didn't say anything about permanency being a bad choice, but only waiting for a player making such a fault and punishing and ridiculing him for it. Such DM's are in constant danger of punchs and other such bad things (I'd avoid such DM's altogether, especially since they'd probably keep the dice I threw at them, and throw I would! )

I was mainly using my post as an illustation to show why perm even if abused isn't unbalanced in the slightest and in fact still sucks.

 

[Pbartender]

Dispel in itself has a limitation, it dispels the highest failed spell level first, so, would the effect of say... Darkvision still be in effect? but just not permenant? Or has the duration long passed? Or does Dispel dispel the Dark Vision with Permenancy (meaning both spells...) Few questions on that one... heh

Gotta go researching, I'll be back!

LT

It doesn't really matter...

If it dispels Permanency, then the other target spell immediately ends (unless it's normal duration is still in effect... unlikely).

If it dispels the target spell, then the Permanency no longer has a valid target, and therefore immediately fails.

 

[Olive]

has anyone tried to write up a list of spells from third party sources that could be made permanent?

it seems to be something that would be good.

 

[bret]

The legal way to achieve this would be to get a scroll with the spell to be made permanent (Darkvision and Detect Magic in this case), have the Sorcerer cast the spell from the scroll and then the permanancy.

The smart way for a Sorcerer to make a spell permanent is to either buy a scroll with the Permanancy spell on it, or wait until they can cast Limited Wish and then use it to duplicate the Permanacy spell with it.

As a GM, I would talk to the sorcerer and make sure he has considered this before having him blow a spell known on Permanancy.

 

[Bonedagger]

Warning: Minor hijack

Hey. I just got a cool idea for an item.

Headband of permanency.

-You can cast a single spell into it as defined by the spells you normally could cast on your self in combination with permanency. Then if somebody succesfully cast Dispel on the headband you could just place a new spell in it.