Spell Resistance

[Targos]

We had a debate at the end of our last game and was curious if anybody had any official references and/or answers they can point us too.

Essentially, a magical effect is cast on an object and then the effect is brought into the presence of the creature with SR. Does the SR apply so that the creature may possibly ignore the effect?

We've had these situations before and had come to the concensus that if SR was Yes in the spell description the creature could possibly ignore the effects (like walking through a web spell), but could not if SR was No (like attempting to bypass a wall of force with a successful SR).

In this particular case it was more of a debate of a silence spell. SR is yes if cast on a creature, SR is no if cast on an object. We cast silence on objects, surrounded the spell casting titan restrainted in a barred forecage with them, and prepared to use spells/arrows from outside until he was dead. I guess the true debate was whether the SR was Yes or No for the spell in the situation. We ended the session with this debate and didnt finish the battle.

 

[andargor]

SR does not apply to ongoing effects.

From the SRD:

The Spell Resistance line and descriptive text of a spell tell the character if spell resistance protects creatures from it. In many cases, SR applies only when a resistant creature is targeted by the spell, not when a resistant creature encounters a spell that is already in place.

Andargor

 

[Destil]

Uhm... that says "In cany cases" but, clearly there's still plenty where SR does apply... like a summoned creature entering an antimagic field, or the blade barrier example on DMG 82. In fact, according to DMG 82, spell resistance usualy applies when a creature enters the area of effect of an ongoing spell, which drrectly conterdicts that SDR quote...

EDIT:
Upon reading silence more carefully, I'd have to think this is a SR: yes situation. No is only the case for a casting centered on an unattended object. The spell does not specificaly target an object or creature, it's an area with no target listed. Thus it will dirrectly affect everything within, or that enteres, that area. At least that's my reading of the spell.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Uhm... that says "In cany cases" but, clearly there's still plenty where SR does apply... like a summoned creature entering an antimagic field...

A summoned creature entering an Antimagic Field winks out.

A summoned creature within the area of an Antimagic Field when it is cast gets SR to avoid winking out.

With Silence, the save and SR only apply if you are targetted by the spell.

If I cast Silence on the Titan, he gets a Will Save and SR. If either is successful, the spell fails to manifest.

If I cast Silence beside the Titan, a 15' radius globe is affected by Silence. He doesn't get a save or SR to avoid being Silenced while within that area, any more than he gets a save or SR against Invisibility cast on someone else. But he only needs to walk 15 feet to be out of the zone of Silence.

If he's in a Forcecage surrounded by rocks with Silence cast on them, he's in trouble without Silent Spells...

-Hyp.

 

[Destil]

A summoned creature entering an Antimagic Field winks out.

A summoned creature within the area of an Antimagic Field when it is cast gets SR to avoid winking out.

With Silence, the save and SR only apply if you are targetted by the spell.

If I cast Silence on the Titan, he gets a Will Save and SR. If either is successful, the spell fails to manifest.

If I cast Silence beside the Titan, a 15' radius globe is affected by Silence. He doesn't get a save or SR to avoid being Silenced while within that area, any more than he gets a save or SR against Invisibility cast on someone else. But he only needs to walk 15 feet to be out of the zone of Silence.

If he's in a Forcecage surrounded by rocks with Silence cast on them, he's in trouble without Silent Spells...

-Hyp.

Is this in the FAQ someplace, Hype? Because silence spell listing is vague at best. There simply isn't a target entry... which makes me think of a standard SR applies AoE that can be more anchored to an object or creature, not really targeted...

You're right on the AM field, though. My bad.

 

[Pielorinho]

If he's in a Forcecage surrounded by rocks with Silence cast on them, he's in trouble without Silent Spells...

-Hyp.

Not really -- spell-like abilities have no verbal component, and astral projection is one of his spell-like abilities. He could be out in a hop, skip, and a jump.

Or he could hang out in the cage and cast firestorms until the cows come home. Whichever he wants.

Daniel

Edit: Just reread astral projection. Okay, what he could do is, he could astral project out of the forcecage, and then (I think) astral project back onto the prime material plane and start whuppin butt.

Otherwise, were I him, I'd start laying permanent illusions down to hide myself, and then begin with the firestorms and such.

 

[Destil]

Not really -- spell-like abilities have no verbal component, and astral projection is one of his spell-like abilities. He could be out in a hop, skip, and a jump.

Or he could hang out in the cage and cast firestorms until the cows come home. Whichever he wants.

Daniel

Edit: Just reread astral projection. Okay, what he could do is, he could astral project out of the forcecage, and then (I think) astral project back onto the prime material plane and start whuppin butt.

Uhm... no. Astral Projection isn't an escape spell at all. It just makes an astral copy and leaves you helpless on the plane you use it on....

Now any Titan who knows what the're doing has already astral projected themselves into the fight in the first place, and is thus in no danger of death.

 

[Pielorinho]

Uhm... no. Astral Projection isn't an escape spell at all. It just makes an astral copy and leaves you helpless on the plane you use it on....

Is it explicit that you can't make a copy of your body on the same plane that you left from? I couldn't tell for sure. The spell confuses me.

If the titan can't do this, and is unfortunate and stupid enough to be attacked on the plane that its real body is on, then it might try putting permanent illusions of walls all around itself, then go ethereal. It still can't escape the forcecage, but at least folks on the material plane will have a harder time hitting it. And if the folks come close and go ethereal, it can try to use eyebite to charm them, or firestorm or the like to mess around with them.

Ooh! Ooh! Better yet, it can summon nature's ally 2 to summone 1d3 critters, and get the creatures to carry the stones away. Take that, evil PCs, take that! (Naturally, persistent image goes up first, so that the PCs don't see this happening).

Daniel