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Copies of Spelljammer are starting to show up. Mike Long of Tribality is in receipt of the books and has tweeted some photos!

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, you never know. Though at this point, I think it’ll be healthier for me to just operate under the assumption that there won’t be any Dark Sun for this iteration of the rules. Because even if there is, the chances that I’m going to like what they do with it seem slim. And I need to be ok with that. I know what I want out of Dark Sun, so I should just give it to myself instead of placing unreasonable hopes on WotC to do it for me.

That's where I've landed, for all of WotC's settings. They're not going to do any of them the way I want. To be fair, it took me a while to get there.

Its a shame Dark Sun won't be opened to the DMs Guild though.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The 4e DS was mostly well received (with some reservations about tieflings etc) by the Dark sun grognards as far as I can tell, and it was unfaithful too.

4e shrugged off a large chunk of grognards (including me). Most of them never got to see it. You can be sure there would have been many more complaints if the grogs hadn't been all off playing Pathfinder and older editions.

 

[Yaarel]

Its a shame Dark Sun won't be opened to the DMs Guild though.

Huh. Right.



But, I assume Spelljammer thus "Doomspace" will open up in the DMs Guild.

So, Guilders can create Dark Sun content for it. They probably cant use the trademark name "Athas", but they can lampshade it with a nickname.

Maybe "Ashta", a hitherto uncharted "moon" orbiting around the black hole.

The sky of Ashta is on fire, illuminating the planet, and baking its vast desert landscapes.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Its a shame Dark Sun won't be opened to the DMs Guild though.

I would prefer it if DM's Guild allowed creators to flag content as any setting they like.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I would prefer it if DM's Guild allowed creators to flag content as any setting they like.

I really, really wish that were true.

 

[Yaarel]

So, for Doomspace:

The content products are:

Doom Sun and planet Ashta.

Wink. Wink.

 

[humble minion]

So, for Doomspace:

The content products are:

Doom Sun and planet Ashta.

Wink. Wink.

That didn't go so well for the 3pp publisher who was trying to kickstart a Dark Sun ripoff setting last year. (I think it was called Red something? Can't recall the name) The campaign got funded, but then before the campaign completion date it vanished off kickstarter reeeal abruptly. I don't remember whether they explicitly admitted that legal communications from WotC were the reason, but that's the general consensus.

 

[Yaarel]

That didn't go so well for the 3pp publisher who was trying to kickstart a Dark Sun ripoff setting last year. (I think it was called Red something? Can't recall the name) The campaign got funded, but then before the campaign completion date it vanished off kickstarter reeeal abruptly. I don't remember whether they explicitly admitted that legal communications from WotC were the reason, but that's the general consensus.

Doom Sun and Ashta can be in the DMs Guild as part of Doomspace. No problem. Full legal permission.

Moreover, it can even use the now 5e official Dark Sun creatures. And with caution can port over other creatures and concepts from Dark Sun.

The races are already perfect, since ability score improvements are no longer racial.

Need an Athas Elf with 16 Constitution? Done.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

As I've always said, it's impossible to do a faithful Dark Sun in 5e. The rules are too different to the ones the setting was designed for. And we all know an unfaithful Dark Sun designed to operate with 5e rules would upset more long-term Dark Sun fans than it would please.

The best solution is to start from scratch, incorporating the themes from Dark Sun into a new setting deigned to work with 5e rules, not against them.

Athas was dying. Better to let be dead, but have another world facing the same fate.

4e shrugged off a large chunk of grognards (including me). Most of them never got to see it. You can be sure there would have been many more complaints if the grogs hadn't been all off playing Pathfinder and older editions.

A lot of grognards will get upset at literally any change to the setting, even if it's for stuff that shouldn't have been included in the first place or makes the setting less fun to play in/run.

From what I've seen, the 4e version of Dark Sun was more well-received than 4e Eberron. People were a bit upset about Tieflings being added and Half-Giants being turned into Goliaths, but otherwise, I've only ever heard good things about the 4e Dark Sun books.

I say let Dark Sun get translated to 5e so newer players can discover it, even if it's a bit different from the 2e version. Sure, the most devout fans will complain about any changes WotC makes to it (like they do literally every time a setting gets updated ever), but that doesn't mean that it would be bad to have the setting updated.

 

[Micah Sweet]

A lot of grognards will get upset at literally any change to the setting, even if it's for stuff that shouldn't have been included in the first place or makes the setting less fun to play in/run.

From what I've seen, the 4e version of Dark Sun was more well-received than 4e Eberron. People were a bit upset about Tieflings being added and Half-Giants being turned into Goliaths, but otherwise, I've only ever heard good things about the 4e Dark Sun books.

I say let Dark Sun get translated to 5e so newer players can discover it, even if it's a bit different from the 2e version. Sure, the most devout fans will complain about any changes WotC makes to it (like they do literally every time a setting gets updated ever), but that doesn't mean that it would be bad to have the setting updated.

I agree. Put out something named "Dark Sun" and open it on the DMs Guild. Problem solved. Somebody will make a version that fits your needs.