My opinion went from a 7 to a 4 in the car ride home. THey screwed up a lot of storylines, had too many plot holes and had characters acting way out of the way they acted in the first movies.
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Well i have to agree with about every point you made. As I remarked to my wife after walking out - 3 was not the movies sequence number, it was the number of films they were writing independently before they decided to combine them for a bigger budget and as a way to escape the series as actors and directors.
Sometimes its better to ignore the fans cries for more! more! if it weakens the storytelling, and here it definitely pushed Spiderman into Batman & Robin territory in my opinion. I'm sure people will like the effects but if you analyze the root story its just a mess.
I gotta agree. There were too many new people, not enough on time on everyone, and far too much going on. I think if they had cut sandman, it might have worked JUST as well.
Eh, I really enjoyed it. It's Spiderman, one of the campiest super heroes around. Not sure what you'd really expect other than cheesiness and over the top action.
-They definately rushed the venom storyline. This really should have stayed two movies. People, non comic book fans, left the movie theater wondering "what that black thing was". It was never explained what venom's powers was and why he would have wanted revenge against peter parker.
[sblock]They DID explain why he wanted revenge. He ruined Brock's life. Now, they didn't get into the details of the Venom symbiote being rejected and all that, but they hit the important part.
The problem with the whole Venom storyline is its REALLY convoluted anyway.[/sblock]
-Though they introduced the astronaught trip last movie, they abandoned it this time, going for the quicker venom came in on a meteor storyline and luckily finds Peter Parkers mopad to hitch a ride on. This is so contrived that I found myself suspending my belief way to farinto the film.
[sblock]The shuttle thing was always just from the 90s TV show, never actual comic lore. Spidey technically got the suit while off world and then later the whole symbiote thing got explained.
While it might have been easier to do the shuttle thing in the movie, it would have taken time. Sending it down on a meteor works perfectly, especially since the symbiote WAS in the rocks that were brought down, too.[/sblock]
-Instead of using Dr. Conner to identify the symbiote's weakness, they instead have Peter coincodently decide to take off his spiderman suit in the church. He doesn't know that sound hurts it yet, so its amazing when bell rings and he realizes it is in pain. Why is Spiderman stripping in public. Also, they never say that the suit is hard to take off. As a matter of fact, we see spider take off the suit twice, so it got real confusing when he tries to take it off in the church and it doesnt want to go.
[sblock]But we do have the phone conversation with Conner that explains staying with it too long with make it a permanent bond. At the points we'd seen him take it off before, he'd not been wearing it much...but by the church scene, he's been wearing it non-stop.[/sblock]
- The jump the shark moment was when the green goblin, whom had tried to kill Peter twice so far in the movie, and had just had half of his face blown off by Peter, decides to help spiderman take out sandman and Venom. Forget the comic book history here, As far as this movie goes, Venom has a better chance of helping out spiderman than the green goblin.
[sblock]Hate to say this, but that's not jumping the shark at all. Its comic lore. While the specifics are, of course, not the same, Harry DID turn around right before he died to help Peter out.
Personally, I thought this was one of the best moments, as I always loved Harry in the comics and the movies. The poor kid just got really messed up by his father. I'm glad they allowed him to redeem himself like he did in the coimcs.[/sblock]
For the other stuff, I can agree on some of it, but those things I figured were worth pointing out, at least.
[sblock]They DID explain why he wanted revenge. He ruined Brock's life. Now, they didn't get into the details of the Venom symbiote being rejected and all that, but they hit the important part.
The problem with the whole Venom storyline is its REALLY convoluted anyway.[/sblock]
[sblock]The shuttle thing was always just from the 90s TV show, never actual comic lore. Spidey technically got the suit while off world and then later the whole symbiote thing got explained.
While it might have been easier to do the shuttle thing in the movie, it would have taken time. Sending it down on a meteor works perfectly, especially since the symbiote WAS in the rocks that were brought down, too.[/sblock]
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[sblock]But we do have the phone conversation with Conner that explains staying with it too long with make it a permanent bond. At the points we'd seen him take it off before, he'd not been wearing it much...but by the church scene, he's been wearing it non-stop.[/sblock]
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[sblock]Hate to say this, but that's not jumping the shark at all. Its comic lore. While the specifics are, of course, not the same, Harry DID turn around right before he died to help Peter out.
Personally, I thought this was one of the best moments, as I always loved Harry in the comics and the movies. The poor kid just got really messed up by his father. I'm glad they allowed him to redeem himself like he did in the coimcs.[/sblock]
For the other stuff, I can agree on some of it, but those things I figured were worth pointing out, at least.
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Thanks for teaching me something new on here. This is sweet.
The meteor thing was just way to much for me to believe. The likilhood of this one rock crashing in new york next to the biggest crime fhter in the world was astronomical. It kind of felt Batman and Robinish when they created Bane. It really doesnt let th audience know anything about the villian, and it expects the audience to trust that its powerful and bad. There was never really any indication of what the Venom suit did and how it benefited Peter Parker other than he was more evil, grew bangs and was trying to be cast in The Matrix- the musical. (of course this could be mostly do the the decision in the first movie to make his web slingers a natrual mutation- one of the benefits of Venom is endless Webing).
I like the harry stuff, but once someone blows half your face off, its pretty much the end of the friendship. Then the butler just happened to know the secret information that has driven the last two movies but failed to tell anyone. That drove me crazy, dangit alfred, al this time iv'e been obsessing, alienating friends and trying to kill Peter Parker and you knew my dad killed himself.
It was as if I could look at this movie and see where they trimmed things up for time constraints and that really took away from the interesting storytelling in the previous two films. Everytime I saw Aunt Bea, I knew that there would be no interesting dialogue, just her delivering the plot a bit.
It did more of a job answering whats next than whats that. I think the venom storyline could have been done well wit ha little time, but it was tacked on in the last 30 minutes of the movie. Instead of a climax it felt like a plot device to make things more difficult for Spidey. The movie also seemed to end without the kinda climax you see at the end of a trilogy. I was kinda hoping for the old bait and switch at the end where its really someone elses funeral they are all at.
It just comes down to time. There wasn't enough time for Spider man 3. A lot of good ideas but nothing fleshed out.
THere's a possibility that Fantastic Four may escape this summer as the best comic book movie. [/sblock]
Stardust is a fantasy film by based off a Neil Gaimen story/graphic novel. If anything, the movie looks like going to be a sleeper more then anything else.
Stardust is a fantasy film by based off a Neil Gaimen story/graphic novel. If anything, the movie looks like going to be a sleeper more then anything else.
Stardust is a fantasy film by based off a Neil Gaimen story/graphic novel. If anything, the movie looks like going to be a sleeper more then anything else.
