Spider-Man 3 [may contain spoilers]

Cthulhudrew said:
What part of Doc Connors' analysis of the symbiote didn't give us the same information?
It's alive? that was all he said. He didn't determine its powers, origins or motives.

As a matter of fact, its never addressed in the movie what exactly the suit does to him, other than make him look like a bootleg neo and act like a jerk. He shows no powers or abilities we've never seen him do before, he justh as an attitude all of the time and eats cookies.
 

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DonTadow said:
It's alive? that was all he said. He didn't determine its powers, origins or motives.

As a matter of fact, its never addressed in the movie what exactly the suit does to him, other than make him look like a bootleg neo and act like a jerk. He shows no powers or abilities we've never seen him do before, he justh as an attitude all of the time and eats cookies.

Doc Connor gave more information than just 'its alive', especially during the phone conversation.

Not only that, but you hear Peter, himself, talking about what the suit does. Mentioning how much stronger he feels, and better, etc. Sure, it could have been more detail, but it IS there.
 


Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
Doc Connor gave more information than just 'its alive', especially during the phone conversation.

Not only that, but you hear Peter, himself, talking about what the suit does. Mentioning how much stronger he feels, and better, etc. Sure, it could have been more detail, but it IS there.
But to the audience, it doesn't seem like he's all that more powerful, stronger, or quicker. Why Is it an illusion or is he actually more powerful. Of course as previously stated, all of these gripes are but branches to the movie beeing rushed and segmented so much. A decent movie would have one or two scenes that display a contrast in powers. To a typical movie goer, it looks like spidey just painted his suit black.

And I must have missed something during the doc conners convos becuase
1st discussion
I think its a live but i need to do more tests. be careful it likes you.

2nd discussion
I still think its alive and it may be dangeirous, be careful.

A waste of dr. conners for this movie.
 

DonTadow said:
Outside of the batman movies, where has such crazy, unexplained coincidences happened. The previous spidermans did a lot to explain, even if its star trek science, how the powers were gained. Here we get a suit on a magical meteor, an important, dangerous science experiment guarded by a six foot gate, scientists doing an experiment and don't get alarmed that a 200 lbs bird just flew into their experiment and someone going into a church in the middle of the day to ask god to kill someone.

Believe it or not, the Spiderman tech is like 95% plausible. The Wednesday or Thursday before Spidey 3 opened, the History Channel had an hour long special on the technology of Spiderman. A bunch of scientists were interviewed, etc and yes, Virginia, you could be a Spiderman. The radioactive spider won't work but a spiderbite that injects a funky retrovirus could rewrite someone's DNA and have the proportionate speed, agility and strength of a spider. Except for the webballs he shoots and ditto for the comic book webshooters. Yes, even Peter's personality change due to the symbiote is plausible.
 

Saw it tonight - I have to say I too am disappointed.

They had a great idea, the CGI was good, the acting was better than the previous incarnations (with a certain emo exception), and the plot was awesome...
Just one problem, the script blew chunks.

As has been stated many times so far, they tried to do too much too soon. I will say I am happy they tried to stick to the comic book lore SPIRIT of things this time.

1 - Sandman: This story got no attention and that's a shame, in the comics Spidey DOES in fact help the Sandman on the road to redeption and ultimately becomes a member of The Avengers "auxiliary" group with Spidey at his behest. A full movie explaining the path from escapee to crime spree to redemption would have been a whole lot better.

2 - Venom: Topher Grace was a great Eddie Brock jr, too bad he was too small for the part and not annoying enough (should have pushed the envelope, but I have a feeling that was due to bad direction.) There was practically no time devoted to the 'relationship' between the symbiote and Peter and the single 'confrontation' scene between Brock and Parker is given no muscle, it makes Parker look petty and Brock look fake. (which of course was the angle they were going for, but frankly THAT didn't even feel right.) And the death of Brock was dumb, how are they going to bring in Carnage now?

3 - Harry: This should have been either played out over two movies or the central focus in this one, but without an extra villian, why would you need an extra hero, right? Just bad form all around with this story line and frankly the butler had me wanting to scream at the screen, "Hey Alfred, Bruce is in Gotham, take a left and follow the coast to the mansion to DC-ville."

4 - Gwen, wait, why is she here again?:Who is Gwen, why is she in this film, why did she have less compleling screen time than Ursala the landlord's daughter? Oh, she kissed Spidey, Big Fat Hairy Deal. The framed it beautifully, but left her character so flat they should have used a cardboard cutout instead of an actress, they would have saved production money so that they could buy a better script.

5 - Emo Spidey: I am offended by this entire prortrayal. If they are looking to get the 'emo dollar' by play to the market, they are barking up the wrong tree. If they are trying to pit wholesome all-American Spiderman versus Emo Spidey, then they failed on a mammoth level that words cannot begin to describe. And the disco number, when did this become "Spiderman Night Fever"? I half expected him to walk out of that shop with a white polyester pantsuit with airplane collars.

6 - MJ: Dear Kirsten, when you screw your co-star and then break up, try to remember that you get paid to act like you like him, please don't look over his shoulder at the scenery in an attempt not to look at him in love scenes, please. Also, try switching to decaf, it should help with those moods swings, or maybe Midol or Pamprin. What was the deal with the musical numbers? 'Stunning' performance by MJ that gets her fired and her replacement can't even say the word 'wonderful (onerful)', a key word in the song. Please.

7 - Sam Raimi: This is the man that New Line wants to replace Peter Jackson for the "The Hobbit"? Dear God, NO!!!!!!!! At one time he could direct, I'm sure of it, but I seriously have my doubts if he can still direct something where story, pacing and scale are not set with a stopwatch and a starting pistol.

After all my gripes, I still thought there were a few redeeming qualities in this flop, Thomas Hayden Church gave it his all everytime he was on screen, I actually felt empathy with his character. The young lady that played Ursala didn't try to out act her stars and supported them very well, even when they forgot she wasn't self-proppelled scenery. Aunt May was once again brilliantly played by Rosemary Harris, sweet, charming, straight from the gut, brilliant. And while poor direction eventually got in the way, James Franco tried to make Harry Osbourn a real boy. The CGI and the attention to detail to story specific items were much better than in previous movies and the art team has got the whole building faces down cold. If you could vote for a movie for best supporting cast and crew without aknowledging the director, the writers or stars, I would probably give this one a go.

D+
 


Thunderfoot said:
And the death of Brock was dumb, how are they going to bring in Carnage now?

If they actually wanted to bring in Carnage (me say Ugh!), they could do so very easily by using the bit of the symbiote that Doc Connors has in his lab.
 

My theory here -- the biggest problem with the movie is that if you eliminated the sequence where Harry kidnaps MJ and forces her to break up with Peter, you'd have a much better tortured hero movie about Harry than about Spiderman. And didn't the villian get a tragic death in the last movie?
 

drothgery said:
And didn't the villian get a tragic death in the last movie?

Aye, and the villain of the first movie died via his own actions, as Brock did. Also noteworthy is that three out of five of Spidey's villains have redeemed themselves. Four out of five have died or at least appeared to have died. All have learned Spidey's identity.
 

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