(Spoilers) Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

KidCthulhu said:


I gotta agree with you on that. I don't mind Harry being stupid occasionally, but he's now been stupid in the same way for five books. In every book, something happens, and everyone around him says "Go tell Dumbledore", and Harry says "No" and he suffers as a result. You'd think he'd learn by now.
Of course, this probably means that in book 6 Harry will go to Dumbledore, with tragic results.

Which lets him not go to Dumbledore again in book 7, with even worse results. Like Snape is appointed new Headmaster of Hogwarts.
 

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I found this horribly amusing for some reason:

http://forums.keenspace.com/viewtopic.php?t=52086

"Hi. My name is Harry Potter. I'm only 16 years old, but I'm being hunted by the most evil person ever known, who's been trying to kill me since I was a baby. He's made an attempt on my life each year since I was 11, not counting the attempt to kill me in my crib.

"When I'm not defending my life against assasination attempts, I try to learn magic at Hogwarts Academy. My instructors range from Quirky to grossly incompitant. In my spare time, I like to play a game where the equipment has been known to maim and kill against teams who are encouraged to commit fouls, especially fatal ones. I have an uncanny knack for creating enemies at school, despite being dreadfully famous.

"When I'm not at school, I live with my aunt and her family. They are uniformly dreadful, and attempt to abuse me as much as possible. Since I've never heard of child rights or social services, I let them.

"My name is Harry Potter. My life sucks, but people still think I'm a character in a happy chirpy children's book."
 

Caliban said:
I'm sure a good bit of Harry's temper can be attributed to puberty, but I think something more might be at work as well.

On page 383 of the book, harry is studying Potions, and reads this passage:

He reads the passage a couple of times. I think it might be a bit of foreshadowing that will be explained in a later book: someone has been slipping Harry a potion to make him more volatile and reckless.

I came to the exact same conclusion when reading the book, and was waiting and waiting for them to discover that he had been slowly drugged. In fact, I thought that would happen in a scene with Snape - another thing I was waiting for (Harry and Snape finally calling a truce and making up). Maybe it is waiting for the next book - and maybe not.

I really loved this one. My favorite new character was Luna. I suspect Harry will end up with her (crazy as that sounds).
 

Mistwell said:
My favorite new character was Luna. I suspect Harry will end up with her (crazy as that sounds).
I liked Luna, too. And while I think Harry may date her, in the end I fear that Rowling will put him with someone else. Or he'll be dead.
 

Barendd Nobeard said:
I liked Luna, too. And while I think Harry may date her, in the end I fear that Rowling will put him with someone else. Or he'll be dead.

All I have to say on this is... It has got to be Ginny! She's perfect for Harry!

That is all... move along...
 


WanderingMonster said:


That would be Bellatrix Lestrange, Sirius' cousin. Yeah, Neville deserves a shot at her.


For some reason, this brings the end of "Dune" to mind. "Mi'lord, you promised me a Death Eater."
 

The most "kid's book-esque" thing in HP is the name of second-role characters, names that tell what these characters are. Sometimes it requires to be a little learned in other languages (Luna: moon in Latin and Spanish; Lestrange: "theweird" in old French...).
 

Gez said:
The most "kid's book-esque" thing in HP is the name of second-role characters, names that tell what these characters are. Sometimes it requires to be a little learned in other languages (Luna: moon in Latin and Spanish; Lestrange: "theweird" in old French...).

That's the thing I love, though. Like being in on the joke.
 

Well, a month after the last post, here I am. I actually finished the book a couple of weeks ago, but hadn't thought to post here until then.

My trauma, of course, was that my wife had this thread up on the screen one evening, just before I started the book, with the Sirius spoiler up on the screen. Ah, well.

General Review: possibly the best book in the series, easily one of the best of an excellent series. A real page-turner that was hard to put down, and too easy to pick back up.


Specific Thoughts: Rowlings writes for her audience, and writes for them well. She portrays them very accurately (if perhaps they curse a little less) and I found them all very believable.

We get excellent new characters, a fine returning cast, and characters that we hadn't seen for a while coming back. Secondary characters get much more attention, and the cohesive whole is cemented together well.

Cho and Harry may get back together...or they may not. Personally, I think Harry will eventually end up with Ginny. No one else can understand Harry's situation as much as she can (quick show of hands...who here has been dominated by Voldemort?). She's coming into her own as both an independent character, a Weasley and a Gryffindor. She's also more self-confident, and no longer afraid to speak her mind. The ability to see Harry as an equal, and have Harry do the same is important.

JKR plays her audience like a fiddle in some points...such as Ron's apparent death at the House of Black. :) I liked how she modifies her formula by little bits each time out, but still manages a pattern. Some see this as a hack, I see it as consistency. YMMV.

We now have 3 characters who are intimately related to Harry in interesting ways. Ginny, Neville and Snape all are tied to Harry in different ways that parallel him. The revelation that Neville is so closely tied to Harry's future and past was welcome...as was Neville's growing resolve. Sooner or later, you stop being scared and start being angry, and that's where he is, now. Ginny is the only person who can understand some of Harry's worries/feelings, as she's the only one who can truly understand what it is to be used directly by Voldemort.

And then there's Snape.

Severus is quite an interesting character. All at once a foil for our hero and unliked ally, he is, in many ways, the closest to Harry's situation. Let's look at some comparisons:
  • Unhappy childhood: We see a flash of the unhappy Snape home. Shouting and abuse. Parents who probably have little love for their son.
  • An outcast: Obviously not popular or rich, young Snape is target for bullies, and has no friends. Clearly torn between wanting to be accepted and being his own person, young Snape is labelled and trapped. Awkward, not handsome and alone.
  • Expectations: Everyone thinks they know or understand Snape, even after they're proven wrong. They are willing to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth.
  • Marked by Voldemort: Bearing a symbol he cannot remove, that everyone immediately recognizes. While not exposed like Harry's symbol, his causes him pain and is a tragic reminder of an unpleasant past.

I suspect we'll find out more about Snape that will continue to reveal things about him. It's interesting to note that among the death eaters mentioned, we never hear about Snapes parents. I suspect he may have watched them die at Voldemort's hand, or perhaps he killed them himself (though I strongly suspect the former). In many ways, Snape represents the 'road-less-travelled' that Harry could have taken. He's an object lesson to what happens when you let your emotions rule you, the way Harry has been letting himself do too much lately.

Biggest thing that I was waiting for that didn't happen: Ron and Hermione doing more than scowling at each other. Shouldn't there have been another formal dance this year? I was suprised at it's absence.

The grudging revelation that Harry's aunt insisted they take him in was intriguing, even as it was odd. Very believable, but complicated. And that was one of the things I most liked in this book...the adults become much more defined, as Harry becomes more able to understand them.

And let's be honest, the showdown in the Ministry rocked on toast. Especially to see Dumbledore open up a can.

And if you think I accept that Sirius is dead AND gone, you'd best think again. I don't buy it, not for a second. Either he gets rescued or he becomes a ghost. Dead? I'll wait and see. Of course, I'm interested in what that thing was? Execution device or way to investigate the afterlife? VERY odd that no one wanted to really discuss it.

All in all, the worst thing about the book is that it ended, and we have to wait for a long time for the next one. :)
 

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