Spring Attack and Tumble

[mkletch]

Will you site something to support this stand?

I wrote and rewrote this reply several times. In the end, I came up with this simple reply.

Condensed from the PHB, p. 127, Table 8-3 Partial Actions
Attack Partial Actions
* Attack
* Partial Charge

Movement-Only Partial Actions
* Single Move
* Partial Run

The only partial action that combines movement with an attack is a partial charge. The rules on partial actions are complete and exclusive, unless you consider a Spring Attack to be a miscellaneous partial action. Spring Attack says it can only be used with the Attack action; it cannot be used with charge. So, on your haste partial action, you pick one of the items to do from Table 8-3.

Can you split a full attack across the back half of a regular action and a haste partial action? This would be a similar usage.

-Fletch!

 

[mikebr99]

I wrote and rewrote this reply several times. In the end, I came up with this simple reply.



The only partial action that combines movement with an attack is a partial charge. The rules on partial actions are complete and exclusive, unless you consider a Spring Attack to be a miscellaneous partial action. Spring Attack says it can only be used with the Attack action; it cannot be used with charge. So, on your haste partial action, you pick one of the items to do from Table 8-3.
-Fletch!

ok.

Can you... while hasted...
spring forward (part of normal movement)
Std. attack
partial attack (from haste)
spring backwards (up to remaining part of normal movement)

 

[mkletch]

Can you... while hasted...
spring forward (part of normal movement)
Std. attack
partial attack (from haste)
spring backwards (up to remaining part of normal movement)

No. Your action from the regular round (the spring attack in this example) is over when that action is over. Actions do not accumulate if you don't use them, not does movement. When you get to the partial action from the haste, it is a self-contained entity, that does not care about how things were done on previous actions. It only cares about the results (e.g. other spell effects, terrain/situation changes, damage dealt/taken, etc.).

Can you save movement from round to round? No. And if I ready a partial action to move, I only get a single move, even if I gave up a whole move to ready the action. Neither does unused movement spill over to a haste action from the regular action if you charge (i.e. you can charge up to double your move; what if you move 1.5x your move?).

It seems like you are changing haste from adding a partial action to something different. Your result would be possible if you added a second standard action to your regular round, but these are not the same thing, even though it sometimes seems like it.

-Fletch!

 

[ZR]

what about the feat

in referace to my previous post.

If a char has the feat and move 1/2 their move before and half after an attack can they initiate a sneek as I described in previous post????

 

[Mahiro Satsu]

Yes, the Rogue can sneak attack as standard attack action. If you read the rules regarding a sneak attack it states that anytime the baddie is flanked you sneak attack them. So with Spring Attack you could tumble forward, sneak attack, tumble back.

 

[Crothian]

ok.

Can you... while hasted...
spring forward (part of normal movement)
Std. attack
partial attack (from haste)
spring backwards (up to remaining part of normal movement)

Not like that, but you can do this:

Move up (as move action)
Attack (as Standard action; this completes a normal rounds action)
Move back (Haste partial action)

 

[Mahiro Satsu]

Not like that, but you can do this:

Move up (as move action)
Attack (as Standard action; this completes a normal rounds action)
Move back (Haste partial action)

This is all conditional as to my understanding of your stance.

No, with Spring Attack you can move before and after your action if your movement doesnt exceed you base move. If we accepted your definition then the feat does nothing. If you are talking about moving a full 30 then strike, then move another full 30, you are right.

 

[Crothian]

This is all conditional as to my understanding of your stance.

No, with Spring Attack you can move before and after your action if your movement doesnt exceed you base move. If we accepted your definition then the feat does nothing. If you are talking about moving a full 30 then strike, then move another full 30, you are right.

You are correct on both accounts. The list of actions I listed can be done with spring attack as long as the total movement does not exceed your base movement. I should have been more clear in my posting.

 

[Mahiro Satsu]

Understood, well and good.

Check out my story hour, Boo-Yah.

 

[Force0]

Spring attack and AOO

Well, you have to remember that tumble is totally unnececerry (SP?) when your target is alone, in your exemple you don't even need to tumble as you _don't_ provoke AOO from mouvment while using Spring attack. So, this means you could move to your opponent (even in is square!) attack him, then go back without tumble and without provoking AOO (unless the attack provoke one, in witch case you eat it..).

My two cents on this