[Spycraft] Firearm Questions

Azure Trance

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Two actually. One, can a .50 caliber pistol be 'silenced'? By how much? It just seems like a large caliber but I have no clue what modern technology can do in this regard. The other is if two accessories can be put on the same weapon, like a flash supressor / silencer or silencer / laser sight. I figure for a laser sight / silencer it could be an over/under thing but I'm not sure about that the flash surpressing silencer.
 

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Azure Trance said:
Two actually. One, can a .50 caliber pistol be 'silenced'? By how much? It just seems like a large caliber but I have no clue what modern technology can do in this regard.

Sound suppressors have been made for .50 BMG anti-material rifles, so a mere .50 AE pistol should not pose a problem.

The other is if two accessories can be put on the same weapon, like a flash supressor / silencer

Probably not, but it's a moot point - sound suppressors eliminate muzzle flash anyways.

or silencer / laser sight.

None of the laser sight installations I've seen would have a problem with this.
 

Azure Trance said:
1) can a .50 caliber pistol be 'silenced'?
2) By how much?
3) It just seems like a large caliber but I have no clue what modern technology can do in this regard.
1) It's a game so yes, in real life that would be a hell-of-a custom job.
2) Enuff for your game anyway, I've seen .50 BMG suppressers that are pretty large and a .50 AE is a lot smaller.
3)If you put enuff money into it anything can be done.
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.50 BMG Barrett M82 with model BT8 Telescopic Reflex Suppressor
Azure Trance said:
if two accessories can be put on the same weapon, like a flash supressor / silencer or silencer / laser sight.
Yes, the flash suppressor can go infront of the sound suppressor, and a laser sight could be mounted many diffrent places on a weapon.
 

My .02

The sound suppressor for the .50 cal is a bit counter-productive. A sound suppressor will significantly reduce the range of a weapon.

A .50 cal is meant for "reach out and touch someone" type jobs, and its range to penetration ability is pretty much the big selling point for using one.

You might also want to note that the suppressor effectively doubles the size of the weapon, making its portability another issue. Suppressors aren't like socket wrenches...you have to make sure the threads match perfectly otherwise it's not going to do much good.

The laser sight (at least on a .50 cal) is also self-defeating. You don't want to let the enemy know where you are, and a big red beam coming from your position is a nice way of saying "direct your fire here.

Again, just my .02
 
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Dieter said:
My .02

The laser sight (at least on a .50 cal) is also self-defeating. You don't want to let the enemy know where you are, and a big red beam coming from your position is a nice way of saying "direct your fire here.

Again, just my .02
You know he's asking about a pistol right?
 

Right, I was just pointing out the sillyness of a laser sight on a sniper rifle. :)

Personally, the Desert Eagle (or any other .50 cal pistol variant) is a bit of a pig to use as a standard weapon. The USP or SOCOM are much better weapons.
 

Dieter said:
My .02

The sound suppressor for the .50 cal is a bit counter-productive. A sound suppressor will significantly reduce the range of a weapon.

A .50 cal is meant for "reach out and touch someone" type jobs, and its range to penetration ability is pretty much the big selling point for using one.

Not necessarily. The .50 is a dual primarily-purpose small arm. It was designed for A) use as an urban sniper rifle / close support weapon, where long range is not an issue and B) as an anti-material rifle against (again, with urban environments being foremost in mind).

The "Light Fifty" was not meant to be taken into the jungle and used as are other heavy use sniper rifles, such as the M40. You're right that penetration is a major factor, but range not so much.

You might also want to note that the suppressor effectively doubles the size of the weapon, making its portability another issue. Suppressors aren't like socket wrenches...you have to make sure the threads match perfectly otherwise it's not going to do much good.

"Light Fifties" are not meant to be highly mobile to begin with. Their size and weight alone, never mind the suppressor, necessitates the use of other, more traditional, sniper weapons if you plan at being at all mobile. If you plan on perching with the .50 BMG, the suppressor's size isn't an issue because it can be attached on-site.

The laser sight (at least on a .50 cal) is also self-defeating. You don't want to let the enemy know where you are, and a big red beam coming from your position is a nice way of saying "direct your fire here.

That's only if environmental conditions allow for it. Again, the .50 is not meant for use in settings where environmental conditions that make a laser sight visible are common. You need something like fog or huge dust clouds in order to do so, but such conditions are rare in the Light Fifty's primary theaters of intended operation and, when they do exist, the operator is most likely in a high position where such conditions won't give away his position as fog and dust tend to hug the ground (and if they are so proliferant that they aren't, then their size likely makes the target inaccessible to begin).
 

Azure Trance said:
Two actually. One, can a .50 caliber pistol be 'silenced'? By how much? It just seems like a large caliber but I have no clue what modern technology can do in this regard. The other is if two accessories can be put on the same weapon, like a flash supressor / silencer or silencer / laser sight. I figure for a laser sight / silencer it could be an over/under thing but I'm not sure about that the flash surpressing silencer.

It depends. A .50 automatic can be silenced if a silencer sized for it is available, but .50 revolver (or any revolver, for that matter) cannot truly be silenced without some heavy conversion, due to the open mechanics of the cylinder. I've handled a silencer that a buddy lent me to try on the custom .50 target rifle that I made back in high-school, and it was a monstrous beast.
 

Dieter said:

The laser sight (at least on a .50 cal) is also self-defeating. You don't want to let the enemy know where you are, and a big red beam coming from your position is a nice way of saying "direct your fire here.

Beyond any RL shoptalk about weapons, the spycraft rules give laser sights an effective range of 50'. Therefore no players who know the rules will want to spend budget points to mount a LS on a rifle likely to be used from 200' to 1200' in most situations.
 

Game Control said:


Beyond any RL shoptalk about weapons, the spycraft rules give laser sights an effective range of 50'. Therefore no players who know the rules will want to spend budget points to mount a LS on a rifle likely to be used from 200' to 1200' in most situations.

I found this to be odd. I could point a laser sight at the moon and, considering I had a powerful enough telescope and worked out the math, I'd be able to spot it on the moon's surface.
 

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