Staff reviews of EN P's books

You know, I've had enough grief over scores I have handed out, I would just as soon do away with the score system.

For me, the review is the part where I tell you about the book; it's up to the reader to read that and decide whether the product sounds like a good fit or not. The score is only an application of my values in evaluating the product.

As for reviewing ENpub... I haven't done so since the products in questions were under the Ambient banner, but I think it is pretty hard to deny they have some great material and their authors and the rest of their production team have really developed some professionalism. They put out a quality product. Whether or not they are better than Malhavoc I'll leave as a question for the reader, but I certainly think that they stand with them as one of the companies that is putting out the best electronic products on the market.

I think people have every reason to question my bias when it comes to ENpub. Not because they are also under the ENworld umbrella. But because Hound and I go back a ways and Hound & Dextra are part of my GenCon posse.

But in my defense, I try to put that aside when writing a review. As I used to have in my quote as a red dwarf reference (when Cat evaluates himself) "I gotta be cruel. There can't be no favors." Joe and Suzi are part of my "GenCon posse" too, and Joe is my DRM-bashing hero. I was really hesitant to assign MS:E&C a 3. (Especially considering I was writing my review in the wake of the DRM debacle and Joe did a fantastic job of driving many points I consider important home.)

But this gets me back to my point about hating scores. If not for the score assignment stage, I wouldn't have had to press home an application of my values if it weren't for the "score assignment" stage and could have just highlighted its strengths and weaknesses and let you decide what's important to you.

Moral of the story: Ignore the scores. Read the review. If the review doesn't tell you anything more than the score, it's probably not a very good review.
 
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Honestly I could care less whether you guys review En Publishing books or not. For I think the whole review process is flawed to begin with. I also can not take serious any review for ENP work on the EN World site since it is a fan site an those of us on this site favor this site. Just like I would not be surprise if WoTC had reviews on their site and they were always on in to top percent.
 

Psion said:
As for reviewing ENpub... I haven't done so since the products in questions were under the Ambient banner, but I think it is pretty hard to deny they have some great material and their authors and the rest of their production team have really developed some professionalism. They put out a quality product.


Yeah but do you think something maybe a bit wrong when out of the top 20 PDF that EN World Publishing has 6 or 30% and holds Number 1-4?

I am not saying that there is some evil plan, but can you take those reviews seriously?
 

dsfriii said:
I am not saying that there is some evil plan, but can you take those reviews seriously?

Whether or not you can take the review seriously is not determined by the scoring system. The scoring system does the best it can by setting a bar for minimum reviews before it in an attempt to give it some credibility. But really, it is still artificial and by necessity excludes less reviewed products.

Read the review and read the product. If the reviews are rantish, hollow, or do not reflect the product, THEN you can't take the review seriously.
 

Psion said:
You know, I've had enough grief over scores I have handed out, I would just as soon do away with the score system.
The best thing that could happen to ENWorld's review page.

As for staff reviews of ENPub material - I don't care one way or the other.
 

Actually, since you do not work for ENPub, I don't see the problem. It's like saying a newspaper cannot review a movie put out by a conglomarate that owns both the paper and the movie production house. Sure, people will suspect there might be something suspicious but there are always conspiracy theories no matter how tenuous the connection.

If you are really worried about how it looks. See if it can be programmed that Staff Reviews don't contribute to the averages of ENPub books. (If they didn't contribute to the averages of others' books then the top lists would be harder to get into. Of course, my having a top 10 PDF (1 of 2 not attributed to ENPub or Malhovic) thanks to 2 staff reviews may contribute to bias on my part. :) )
 

dsfriii said:
Yeah but do you think something maybe a bit wrong when out of the top 20 PDF that EN World Publishing has 6 or 30% and holds Number 1-4?

I am not saying that there is some evil plan, but can you take those reviews seriously?

Yes, you can. What other company besides ENP goes about and actively tries to get people to review their new products? That is the success of the ENP's reviews, they at times actively go out and try to get reviews. No other company has really done this.
 

JoeGKushner said:
But you'll note that it's not staff reviews driving those numbers, it's fan submitted reviews.

Go to the Malhavoc boards and encourage more people to submit reviews. The main problem I see is that Monte, along with RPGObjects and a few others, have multiple product entries for basically the same product. The Book of Eldrtich MIght I print is almost the same as the PDF in terms of content.

Yes, that splitting between print and PDF does segment the number of reviews... which makes it hard to hit the number necessary to get it on the top 20 chart.
 
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Numion said:
Like I said, I know the staff reviewers probably haven't done it, at least intentionally. I just suspect that a Malhavoc product with the serial numbers filed off and published under 'Parents Basement Dude Games Press' would get higher reviews, on the average, than the same product published by Malhavoc.

Anyway, ratings aren't the meat of the reviews, so it's no biggie.

.. I could also be wrong :p

I am a firm believe that scores are always biased.
If a new company comes out an releases a product with the quality of Monte's work... with errors, then they still deserve that 5. If they still have the same errors 4 or more products later then they don't deserve that number anymore. But it is really a matter of scale. (I think there should be more leeway than 1-5. As it should be. I expect a good many of products should be getting 3 regularly. 4s if they were stunning but had flaws. 5 only if the reviewer is biased and ignores errors - since a product will always have some sort of errors.)
 
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tensen said:
Yes, that splitting between print and PDF does segment the number of reviews... which makes it hard to hit the number necessary to get it on the top 20 chart.

I try to post a review of both the pdf and print but I can only do that when I have a copy of both.
 

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