Standing up from prone

[KarinsDad]

Is there an actual RULE or ACTION listed for "prone to kneeling" and "kneeling to standing"? Or is this something ya'll made up? Shouldn't there be a "prone to sitting" rule, THEN a "sitting to kneeling" THEN "kneeling to standing"?

Does prone mean "on your back"? Because I don't think you can go from "on your back" to "kneeling" without going to "sitting" or "squating" first. JMHO.

That's the problem. The kneeling / sitting references are in the table, but not in the rules.

 

[RigaMortus2]

That's the problem. The kneeling / sitting references are in the table, but not in the rules.

Is "sitting" or "squatting" listed on the table? Any table? In the rules at all? If not, I guess players can not sit or squat... Weird...

 

[Stalker0]

Sure, sitting is considered prone

 

[KarinsDad]

Sure, sitting is considered prone

Actually, it's not. Prone is -4 to AC melee and +4 to AC ranged. Sitting is -2 to AC melee and +2 to AC ranged.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Is there an actual RULE or ACTION listed for "prone to kneeling" and "kneeling to standing"? Or is this something ya'll made up? Shouldn't there be a "prone to sitting" rule, THEN a "sitting to kneeling" THEN "kneeling to standing"?

That's why I added "If you allow it" any time I referenced prone-to-kneeling.

KD recently claimed in another thread that by the rules, one can go from prone to standing as two move actions, neither of which provokes an AoO. They don't provoke an AoO, because it doesn't say they do. Now, it doesn't say they do because those actions don't exist, but that's a minor point.

I still don't understand how he can claim that a/ someone can go from prone to standing without using the Stand Up From Prone action by taking two move actions, and b/ the Stand Up From Prone action is the only way to go from prone to standing.

-Hyp.

 

[damitjimmii]

Just to be consistant here's how I rulled:

If you are prone, your body (trunk/torso) is on the ground. Anything that requires you to use your hands from this position provokes AoO. You also loose your dex mod if you don't have improved evasion. It's the procces of getting off the ground that provokes the AoO, so getting to your knees, casting, using an item, attacking, rolling/crawling, all use your hands and remove you defenses.

Getting up w/o a DC 35 tumble check (plus double the normal adds for extra opponents.) (double because of no hands, +5 for bad position) provokes (essentially monks and rogues only).

If your players don't believe this, have them lay on the ground while you poke them with a stick. (Really do it, it's amazingly satisfing to poke a game lawer with a stick, I was smilling for a week).

 

[KarinsDad]

I still don't understand how he can claim that a/ someone can go from prone to standing without using the Stand Up From Prone action by taking two move actions, and b/ the Stand Up From Prone action is the only way to go from prone to standing.

The Stand Up From Prone action is the only action to go from prone to standing in the book.

However, the book also allows for a kneeling position. Hence, in order to get to the kneeling position from/to prone and from/to standing, a given DM has to adjudicate how to do that.

There is no dicotomy here. The rules for kneeling are just missing, hence, they have to be supplied by the DM.

That doesn't change the fact that within the book, there is only one rule for getting from prone to standing.

 

[Hypersmurf]

There is no dicotomy here. The rules for kneeling are just missing, hence, they have to be supplied by the DM.

So once supplied, why is it not possible for these to be the mechanics used by the Prone Attack feat?

-Hyp.

 

[KarinsDad]

So once supplied, why is it not possible for these to be the mechanics used by the Prone Attack feat?

Because we already have a single action rule for standing from prone.

A given DM can houserule Prone Attack to use these two actions all he wants.

 

[Infiniti2000]

So once supplied, why is it not possible for these to be the mechanics used by the Prone Attack feat?

-Hyp.

Because a single action to stand is closer to the looked-for rule than two actions.