Spoilers Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

[Willie the Duck]

I never noticed the nacelle attachment points, but I think the nacelle mounted phaser banks I did notice.

That might be what I am thinking of.

 

[Umbran]

As for Odo's appearance, it is based on Mora Pol, the scientist who originally studied him (and weren't always particularly gentle about it).

I want to add - the episode with Dr. Mora is the worst thing that show ever produced.

Saying Mora wasn't "particularly gentle about it" is a polite understatement. Mora used painful electric shocks on infant Odo to get him to do things - if you did that to your kid on Earth, we'd call that abuse.

Odo, at the start of the episode is very angry, and wants nothing to do with Mora. Mora's position is, "Hey, it worked, didn't it? You know how to interact with society and change shape and all - so what are you whining about?" And, in the end, the episode effectively has Odo apologize for being angry.

While they might have intended "parents sometimes have to do things kids don't like" the metaphor came across as abuse apologia - if it gets results, and the kid performs, the end justifies the means, and parents cause pain because they love you. Which is really lousy.

Folks here may feel I'm off base. I watched the episode with someone who has complex PTSD from abusive parents, and learned a lot.

 

[jian]

I want to add - the episode with Dr. Mora is the worst thing that show ever produced.

Saying Mora wasn't "particularly gentle about it" is a polite understatement. Mora used painful electric shocks on infant Odo to get him to do things - if you did that to your kid on Earth, we'd call that abuse.

Odo, at the start of the episode is very angry, and wants nothing to do with Mora. Mora's position is, "Hey, it worked, didn't it? You know how to interact with society and change shape and all - so what are you whining about?" And, in the end, the episode effectively has Odo apologize for being angry.

While they might have intended "parents sometimes have to do things kids don't like" the metaphor came across as abuse apologia - if it gets results, and the kid performs, the end justifies the means, and parents cause pain because they love you. Which is really lousy.

Folks here may feel I'm off base. I watched the episode with someone who has complex PTSD from abusive parents, and learned a lot.

Nope, 100% agree. It’s at best a product of its time but IMO is actively terrible, like the characterisation of Curzon in Facets.

 

[Arilyn]

Yeah, Mora is awful and Odo should have stayed angry. Some relationships should never be mended.

 

[payn]

I want to add - the episode with Dr. Mora is the worst thing that show ever produced.

Saying Mora wasn't "particularly gentle about it" is a polite understatement. Mora used painful electric shocks on infant Odo to get him to do things - if you did that to your kid on Earth, we'd call that abuse.

Odo, at the start of the episode is very angry, and wants nothing to do with Mora. Mora's position is, "Hey, it worked, didn't it? You know how to interact with society and change shape and all - so what are you whining about?" And, in the end, the episode effectively has Odo apologize for being angry.

While they might have intended "parents sometimes have to do things kids don't like" the metaphor came across as abuse apologia - if it gets results, and the kid performs, the end justifies the means, and parents cause pain because they love you. Which is really lousy.

Folks here may feel I'm off base. I watched the episode with someone who has complex PTSD from abusive parents, and learned a lot.

It did feel a bit clumsy in the writing. I think they meant for it to be a bonding and learning moment for Odo, but yeah...

 

[Ryujin]

I want to add - the episode with Dr. Mora is the worst thing that show ever produced.

Saying Mora wasn't "particularly gentle about it" is a polite understatement. Mora used painful electric shocks on infant Odo to get him to do things - if you did that to your kid on Earth, we'd call that abuse.

Odo, at the start of the episode is very angry, and wants nothing to do with Mora. Mora's position is, "Hey, it worked, didn't it? You know how to interact with society and change shape and all - so what are you whining about?" And, in the end, the episode effectively has Odo apologize for being angry.

While they might have intended "parents sometimes have to do things kids don't like" the metaphor came across as abuse apologia - if it gets results, and the kid performs, the end justifies the means, and parents cause pain because they love you. Which is really lousy.

Folks here may feel I'm off base. I watched the episode with someone who has complex PTSD from abusive parents, and learned a lot.

"Sorry, Dr. Mengele, I shouldn't criticize your methods given your results."

Sort of like my father trying to take credit for my scholastic successes because he treated my report cards like they were never good enough, no matter how good they were.

 

[jian]

Yeah, Mora is awful and Odo should have stayed angry. Some relationships should never be mended.

I think “Eff your dad, he’s an a-hole, make your own family” was a much less common and acceptable plot thread in 1995 - I think it was kind of shocking when Buffy did it with Tara. In 1995, family was supreme on TV.

 

[Umbran]

I think “Eff your dad, he’s an a-hole, make your own family” was a much less common and acceptable plot thread in 1995 - I think it was kind of shocking when Buffy did it with Tara. In 1995, family was supreme on TV.

Interestingly, Odo does tell his real family to take a hike, what with them being racist despots out for galactic domination and among the main villains of the series.

Mora was found family, and still sucked.

 

[jian]

Interestingly, Odo does tell his real family to take a hike, what with them being racist despots out for galactic domination and among the main villains of the series.

Mora was found family, and still sucked.

But even then, Odo goes back to his family - initially to cure them, but also to join the Great Link and leave Kira (and everyone else) forever. Family trumps everything.

 

[MarkB]

But even then, Odo goes back to his family - initially to cure them; but also to join the Great Link and leave Kira (and everyone else) forever. Family trumps everything.

More "indefinitely" than "forever", and at that point he's essentially doing it to parent them.