Star Trek: Enterprise has been canceled

[Ranger REG]

That sounds like crap to me. Star Trek can be a money maker and has proven it often enough in the past.

Perhaps, but what they did this season to persuade UPN to order more episodes is cut the price in half. By doing so, they hope to compensate the loss of money by relying on merchandise sale.

If they shop around, most network would prefer to pay what UPN is currently paying.

 

[Umbran]

Then you defeat your own purpose. In order to get good Star Trek, you need to remove B&B.

No, we don't. Current episodes of Enterprise stand as proof.

They are the cancer. Just ignoring them while they stay is not going to do any good. Their position still put them in charge of Manny Coto. And if they feel like writing for the series finale of Enterprise they will do so over Manny's head, as their job position would allow them to.

And who gives a gosh darn which of them writes the finale? The finale is the end, and has no further impact of the health or life of the show or the franchise.

And ignoring them while they stay has brought about marked improvement this season. I'm sorry, but the evidence before my eyes does not match your hard-line stance. B&B can have their positions and still have decent programming come out of it.

You keep talking about them like a cancer thatmust be removed. To continue using your medical analogy - what you forget is that surgery has risks. Ousting B&B would likely entail a corporate fight that would damage the patient. It could be lethal, as the person(s) who come out on top in the end may be no better than B&B. If the patient is improving without surgery, you watch a while and wait and see if perhaps surgery isn't necessary at all.

 

[mojo1701]

You keep talking about them like a cancer thatmust be removed. To continue using your medical analogy - what you forget is that surgery has risks. Ousting B&B would likely entail a corporate fight that would damage the patient. It could be lethal, as the person(s) who come out on top in the end may be no better than B&B. If the patient is improving without surgery, you watch a while and wait and see if perhaps surgery isn't necessary at all.

Which is why you treat it with meds. So the tumour becomes benign: you know it's there, but you really don't care (unless you have to look at it, but most people can shut their eyes for the last credit at the beginning).

 

[myrdden]

The STNG Mirror Universe novel was "Dark Mirror", which I bought & enjoyed a lot - it had evil alternates of all the regulars, Troi was the EEEVIL-est alternate of them all, AIR, but they were all nice.

Yeah! That's it! Thanks for jogging the memory.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I agree even though I more or less quite enjoyed the DS9 events in the mirror-verse.

There was a TNG novel that had a mirro-verse storyline as well but I can't remember the title, the author or the plot. I do remember that I thought it was not too bad a read. How's that for selective memory?

Sounds like you're copying my selective memory on that same tome!

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Two conditions...

1. That SCI-FI allow Enterprise airtime to be sold in the syndication market. I don't have cable. But putting Enterprise in the syndication market would allow my local TV stations to bid for vacant timeslot in their programming schedule. If I can watch Andromeda and one-season-behind SG-1 late saturday night without cable, then I would be cool.

2. Terminate contract of employees Rick Berman and Brannon Braga. Install Manny Coto as the show's new executive producer.

1. If I recall, Enterprise does have enough episodes to sell it to syndication, should they choose to do so.

2. Can't agree more! Berman and Braga need to go!

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I think I read it as well. I remember the author was Diane Duane, I vaguely remember the plot (not enough to write about). Can't remember the name. I'm going home in two weeks for study week. If I remember, I'll check it then.

Here, we call that "Spring Break".... And I doubt much "studying" goes on........

 

[Ranger REG]

1. If I recall, Enterprise does have enough episodes to sell it to syndication, should they choose to do so.

Yeah, but who would want to watch the first three season's worth all over again, besides the doofs?

I want fresh Manny Coto-produced Enterprise episodes.

2. Can't agree more! Berman and Braga need to go!

They need to go. No compromise.

 

[Ranger REG]

No, we don't. Current episodes of Enterprise stand as proof.

Proof of what? They have declared they're writing the series finale episodes.

And who gives a gosh darn which of them writes the finale? The finale is the end, and has no further impact of the health or life of the show or the franchise.

Well, I for one would like it to be a good sendoff. So kill me for liking the show this late in the run. I also hope that since impending cancellation news that people did not already tuned off of this season's run. They should at least watch Manny Coto's works.

And ignoring them while they stay has brought about marked improvement this season. I'm sorry, but the evidence before my eyes does not match your hard-line stance. B&B can have their positions and still have decent programming come out of it.

Then why are we paying them for, if they are ignored? Berman say it is too expensive to run more episode. Perhaps if we terminate his payroll, his future paycheck would serve the Trek franchise better.

You keep talking about them like a cancer thatmust be removed. To continue using your medical analogy - what you forget is that surgery has risks. Ousting B&B would likely entail a corporate fight that would damage the patient. It could be lethal, as the person(s) who come out on top in the end may be no better than B&B. If the patient is improving without surgery, you watch a while and wait and see if perhaps surgery isn't necessary at all.

So, the risk of having the surgery to remove said cancer is just as high as letting the cancer fester?

If I'm the patient -- analogy-wise -- I take my chance with the surgery. IOW, I would rather dictate my life rather than let the cancer dictate me. Boo ya!

 

[Umbran]

Proof of what? They have declared they're writing the series finale episodes.

You said that in order to get good Star Trek, you need to get rid of B&B. There have been good episodes under Manny Coto that have been good. Ergo, your assertion is incorrect. I have no idea why you think the finale has anything to do with it.

Then why are we paying them for, if they are ignored? Berman say it is too expensive to run more episode. Perhaps if we terminate his payroll, his future paycheck would serve the Trek franchise better.

Do you know how much he's geting paid? I don't. At $2 million per episode, I don't expect his salary is all that large a percentage of the total costs.

So, the risk of having the surgery to remove said cancer is just as high as letting the cancer fester?

No. If you're going to use the medical analogy, you're stuck with the fact that medicine is rarely digital. There's more than two options available. As mojo1701 points out, there's alternative treatments that are less invasive and risky.

Mind you, at this point it seems that no "treatment" is going to save anything, so it's rather moot. As Phlox might say - the patient is dead, we are symply waiting for the neurolytic energy to dissipate.