Star Wars Spoiler Thread

[ayrwind]

is it just me, or did the relationship between R2 and C-3PO appeared to be a little gay?

my friends and i had a good laf over how they behaved and such...

 

[Bard Lucian]

My first thought is that they'd better be filming Christopher Lee's scenes for the next movie RIGHT NOW! The man's almost 80 for God's sake!

Ok, acting, very bad. Visuals, very good. Obi Wan was excellent, as was Mace Windu. And, of course, YODA!

However, this bothers me -- first, Owen Lars, at the beginning of ep. 4 buys these two droids from the Jawas, and one of them is named C-3PO. Did it never occur to him when 3po comes back into his life that this is a bad omen? Or that there is a connection between this R2 unit that he sees and the one that mentioned Obi Wan all those years ago?

And furthermore, in Ep. 6, Obi Wan tells luke that he hid him with HIS (Obi Wan's) Brother, not Anikan's 1/2 brother. Why the continuing deception from Obi Wan? And where does he ever find out about Owen and Beru anyway? I can only conclude that it is Padme's idea to hide Luke with them, not Obi Wan's, so why does he lie to Luke AGAIN? I dunno, I think this lends support to the Obi Wan is Vader hypothesis.

 

[Napftor]

Just saw it. Not bad, not bad at all.

Someone stated that the first half was slow but the rest made up for it. To be fair, the first half certainly had its high points. It was cool to see R2 guarding Amidala and then highly exciting when Obi-Wan jumped through the window to grab that robot thingie.

And let's not forget Jango. When I saw his armor in the shadows I got all jittery (in a good way). It was great to see him use all his tools before Mace hacked off the 'ol cranium. And then there's, Mace. Not much for the dialogue bits in the first half, but he more than redeemed himself in the final battle.

I'll let everyone's comments about the great bits speak for themselves and hit on other things I liked besides YODA and Mace and tragic Jar-Jar...

*The unnamed Jedi attempts to take down Dooku and Jango blasts him off the balcony. Whoa!
*Anakin losing arm (already mentioned but worth mentioning again)/Obi-Wan getting singed
*Force lightning! I knew it was in the movie but had forgotten until Dooku released it. Yikes!
*Less talking about the force and more USING it!
*Full use of the Imperial March!
*Dooku's curved lightsaber grip
*The assault ship behind the main characters that gets blown up (full of Jedi? I like to think so!)

I'm afraid the love bits just didn't work for me though. I certainly see and feel the anger after Shmi's death but there was little reason for love to blossom (at least on Amidala's side). Was it necessary? Sure. Did it detract from the overall movie experience. Afraid so. But "Attack of the Clones" is definitely worth the price of admission and then some.

 

[Bagpuss]

First of all, I LOVED IT!

That said:

What I didn't like:

3. Didn't show Anakin killing all those Tuskans. I was really excited to see him kick some butt, and then they cut away.

Yes Anakin slaughtering defenceless women and children, that will help keep the PG rating I'm sure.

 

[Welverin]

Originally posted by EricNoah I wonder where that story will end... right after the kids are split up and hidden?

Likely it will have to be since Episode 3 is only two years after E2, with twenty between 3 and 4. So unless E3 covers a long span of time it will around Amidala getting pregnant and her giving birth.

It was pretty neat seeing that Yoda was able to sense Anakin?s all the way out on Tatooine.

One last thing, I remember reading a while ago that James Earl Jones is supposed to reprise his role as the voice of Vader, so we should definitely get to see Vader by the end of Episode 3.

 

[KDLadage]

It was pretty neat seeing that Yoda was able to sense Anakin's all the way out on Tatooine.

I read a nasty rumor that the voice yelling "No Anakin, NO!" as he starts slaughtering the Sand People is actually that of Liam Neeson (Qui Gon).

I watched the film a second time and cannot say for sure.

Anyone here know anything more about that?

 

[hong]

Jar Jar made a big error in judgement. I wonder if we get to see him redeem himself? Or is that too much to fit into Ep III.

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=== RESPOT RESTOP REPOST ===
From: [email]spog@jwgh.org[/email] (Jacob W. Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Lucas on Jar Jar
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:13:28 -0400

David Bromage <dbromage@omni.com.au> wrote:

[. . .]
> Still on topic, where do I sign up to join the "People's Popular Front
> for the Promotion of Jar-Jar Binks Suffering a Spectacular Death in
> Episode 3"?

One of my many correspondents writes:

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:22:40 -0400
From: C*** M********** <c***@W***.C**>
Subject: The redemption of Jar Jar
To: GAS-LOVERS@H***.E***.L****.C**

At 10:30 AM 4/20/00 -0400, you wrote:

>> Thank you for listening.  Say, did I ever tell you my ideas for the
>> redemption of Jar Jar Binks?
>
>Jar Jar died for your sins!

Well, that's what we're all hoping, of course.  But it's not enough.
First he has to be made to suffer.  And I say this, not just because I
dislike Jar Jar, but because it would deepen the character.  Jar Jar has
to die at exactly the moment when we no longer want him to, for that
alone would give his earlier purposeless and annoying behavior some kind
of meaning.

(Side note: Jar Jar reminds me of the Wogglebug from the Oz books.  The
Wogglebug didn't have any pourpose in the story other than to stand
around making lame puns.  He was fairly unique for his utter uselessness
and irrelevance; everyone else in a typical Oz story has some particular
skill or property that proves essential to the quest at hand.)

Anyway, here's my plan for Jar Jar's redemption:

First of all, Jar Jar has to become Naboo's representative to the
Galactic Senate.  It makes sense when you think about it: the planet is
now under Gungan rule, so naturally Boss Nass wants to put a Gungan in
the position.  From his point of view, it also neatly solves the problem
of what to do with Jar Jar. Nass knows that Jar Jar is an idiot and a
liability to everyone around him - I imagine that he was sent to the
front in Ep. 1 in the hopes that he'd never return - but he's also a war
hero now, and well-liked among the other Gungans (most of whom have
never met him).  An ambassadorial position is a perfect solution: it
satisfies everyone (including Jar Jar, the idiot) that he's being
rewarded for his services, and at the same time keeps him far away from
the day-to-day running of the Gungan state.

So Jar Jar is in the Senate.  He's a few years older now, and is
beginning to fill out - he doesn't look like Boss Nass yet, but he's
definitely on that road.  He's become extremely self-conscious.  He's
trying his best to conform, but his ignorance of custom combines with
his natural awkwardness to defeat him at every turn.  He visibly
struggles to control his accent when speaking to other representatives.
He makes outlandish faux pas and looks genuinely mortified afterwards.
(Can you imagine Jar Jar looking mortified?  I'm not talking about a
sheepish smile, I'm talking a real "Oh my god, what have I done" look,
like Woody in Toy Story when he knocked Buzz out the window.  That alone
makes the entire scheme worth it.)  Jar Jar has only one friend in the
whole Senate: the former Naboo representative who did so much to help
Jar Jar's friends in the past, Chancellor Palpatine.

Palpatine, of course, realizes that the inordinate trust Jar Jar places
in him makes him easily manipulable, and so he preserves the conditions
that make him Jar Jar's only friend.  He realizes that Jar Jar would be
better off flaunting his ethnicity (think of Ben Franklin in France,
winning support by playing the rustic American) rather than trying and
failing to be like everyone else, so he encourages him to try to be like
everyone else.  When Jar Jar points out the respect and even awe
accorded to the Wookiee senator (an old, white-furred specimen,
resplendent in traditional Wookiee ceremonial garb),  Palpatine claims
that it's only because Wookiees have been in the senate for a long time
that their eccentricities are tolerated.  Jar Jar, incedentally, is
wearing an old-fashioned three-piece suit that makes him look even more
froglike and grotesque than he already does.

On the senate floor, whenever someone subtly mocks or insults Jar Jar,
Palpatine sticks up for him.  This makes Palpatine look like a hero, and
at the same time makes people resent Jar Jar's favored position.  How
can Jar Jar be anything but grateful?

Palpatine assures Jar Jar that his efforts to fit in are working, and
that people are starting to warm to him.  Jar Jar is well aware that
he's derided and reviled behind his back, but he trusts Palpatine's
words more than he trusts his own perceptions.  At night, he cries
himself to sleep.  He could really use a friendly ear to pour out his
troubles to, but he thinks he already has one in Palpatine, who's really
good at belittling his problems without seeming to.

Eventually, the scales fall from Jar Jar's eyes.  I don't know how;
perhaps he walks in on Palpatine in his sith robes or something.  It's a
dazzling revelation to Jar Jar.  In an instant, he sees what a fool he's
been, and how he's been betrayed.  He is enraged.  We've never seen an
enraged Gungan, but I'm willing to bet that they're an impressive sight
(and perhaps even change color).  The overall design of the Gungans is
fairly monstrous, when you come right down to it, with those enormous
hands and alien eyes.  The only reason Jar Jar isn't scary is that he
usually seems so ineffective.  Jar Jar is enraged.  He charges into
Palpatine's quarters, babbling in Gungan, an alien monster on a rampage.
There's a confrontation; Palpatine gets Jar Jar to calm down, tells him
it's not the way it seems.  This works for a little while, but Palpatine
underestimates the change that has been wrought in Jar Jar's soul. He
has seen the truth, and will not so easily believe lies again.
Palpatine, unprepared to actually argue intelligently with his former
puppet, gets caught in his own words.  The freshly enraged alien monster
lacks his hands around the chancellor's throat...

When Jar Jar's body is found, covered with lightsabre wounds, Palpatine
gives a stirring oration.  The Jedi have gone too far, they're not
accountable to anyone, something like this was bound to happen
eventually, etc.  The only defense we can possibly have against
atrocities like this is to (a) raise a Senate-controlled army of
stormtroopers for the defense of all the people and (b) arrest all the
Jedi in the galaxy.  And so it goes.

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[Welverin]

Didn?t mention this the first time but what did everyone else think of the quality of the picture? My friend and I were a little busy playing Tekken 4 (and had no interest in waiting line just to get INTO the theatre), so we were up front and the quality was noticeably poor , as Ebert mentioned. We were also up close for Blade 2 and Brotherhood of the Wolf and neither one looked as bad. Of course this also tells you we need to stop playing games before going to see movies.

Originally posted by KDLadage
· And the most amazing thing (IMHO): the admission that the Jedi Order are loosing thier ability to control the powers of the Force. This was something I did not see coming. It plays rather well into the whole "re-balance the force" story line. I am beginning to believe that Yoda not only wanted Anakin to fall, he was counting on it. Anakin is the Yin to the Galaxy-wide Jedi Order's Yang (I may have that backwards). I have to wonder if Yoda thought he could balance the force witht he creation of teh ultimate Dark Jedi and then dispose of him, after the Force was balanced -- and then lost control of his little plan... don't know, but we will see in a few years when Ep-III is released... and let me tell you, I simply cannot wait to see it already.

It was mentioned in a conversation between Yoda and Mace that the Dark Side was suppressing the force, which was the reason for their weakened powers. Mace mentioned making the presence of a Sith in control of the Senate public, but Yoda shot him down because it would cause even more people to turn against the Jedi knowing they were weakened and a urest among the general population. His reason being the way things were only the Sith doing it knew and that was less dangerous than the unrest caused by the public at large being aware of what was going on.

I read a nasty rumor that the voice yelling "No Anakin, NO!" as he starts slaughtering the Sand People is actually that of Liam Neeson (Qui Gon).

I watched the film a second time and cannot say for sure.

Anyone here know anything more about that?

No, but then again I didn?t even notice. I?ll be sure to listen for it the next I see it.

 

[Psion]

The unnamed Jedi attempts to take down Dooku and Jango blasts him off the balcony. Whoa!

Low level Jedi, High level bounty hunter: Don't let it happen to you.

I certainly see and feel the anger after Shmi's death but there was little reason for love to blossom (at least on Amidala's side). Was it necessary? Sure. Did it detract from the overall movie experience. Afraid so.

Really? The scene before they get chained up salvaged the whole love story thing to me. After how icy and resolute she was to that point, it totally took me off guard. And yet, it made sense.

 

[Napftor]

Really? The scene before they get chained up salvaged the whole love story thing to me. After how icy and resolute she was to that point, it totally took me off guard. And yet, it made sense.

Yes. Really. At least that was how I felt the first time I watched it. With a second viewing, and paying a bit more attention to it, my mind might be changed.

As for Liam Neeson's voice, I'm damn sure it was him speaking when Yoda sensed Anakin hacking up Tuskens. Although I'm also pretty sure that he didn't come into the sound stage special, but rather Lucas stole the "Anakin" bit from Ep I--"Anakin, tell them to take off!". Notice the intonation and urgent quickness are exactly the same from TPM to AotC.