[Statistics] 4d6DL Point Buy Equivalent

[Caeleddin]

Umm... Parleyvous Anglais?

 

[yennico]

Wizards with Cha, Wis and Str 8.

Cha is for most classes a dump stat. A wizard do not really need a high strength (except for carrying treasure ). Most of my wizards have a low str. Wis 8 is a -1 to will saves which is the best save a wizards get. -1 in the best save does not really matter.

Fighters with Dex, Cha and Int 8.

Your fighter with dex 8 and a cat´s grace spell has enough dex for the full dex bonus of full plate.
Int 8: A fighter do not need skills.

Rogues with Cha, Str and Int 8.

I do not want to play this rogue. This rogue is limited to dex. This rogue does not uses his biggest advantages: skill points and class skills.

I personally dislike playing int 8 or wis 8 characters.

 

[yennico]

Umm... Parleyvous Anglais?

Oui.
I´m a German and not a French, but I had to learn French in school.

 

[Caeleddin]

I was referring to your previous post about the 6 points. I must be missing something, because an average stat score is 10 and for pb, a stat of 18 is 14 points over that, not 6....

 

[yennico]

I was referring to your previous post about the 6 points. I must be missing something, because an average stat score is 10 and for pb, a stat of 18 is 14 points over that, not 6....

oops. I was refering only to the stats (I thought 12 was the average in an attribute, but you are right: 10 is the average attribute for a human) and not to pb costs.

 

[Caeleddin]

Ahh! That explains it 10 is the average human attribute and the entire system is based around that.

 

[diaglo]

Ahh! That explains it 10 is the average human attribute and the entire system is based around that.

actually 10.5 is the avg stat. but the system doesn't allow for 0.5 stats. and they also don't like to give odd stats. so they chose 10. this is also due to the -/+ modifiers for stats.

 

[Quasqueton]

I find the 30pb to be too restrictive. Players will tend to mini/max.

Hee. Use more than 30 and Players tend to --/max.

If, with 30 points, you see:

18, 15, 14, 8, 8, 8

Wouldn't, with say, 34 points, you see:

18, 16, 15, 8, 8, 8

With 40 points:

18, 18, 15, 8, 8, 8

You. Must. Get. Rid. Of. That. Earlier. Edition. Mindset. That. You. Need. Several. 18s. To. Be. Decent.

I have 28 PB characters with no stat higher than 14 or 15. Works fine.

Absolutely.

Quasqueton

 

[Shin Okada]

You don't. I do.....
Take your pick.

>Wizards with Cha, Wis and Str 8.

I don't like to have low Wis or low Con. A failed fort or will save often kills a character or otherwise incapacitated. Also, wis is a key ability for Spot and Listen. Remember Wizard can still take those skills as cross-class skills. It helps avoiding surprise round. I can sacrifice Dex for an arcane caster. But not Wis. While I agree with that Con is more important, low wis is no good.

>Fighters with Dex, Cha and Int 8.

Fighter with low dex and low int. If that is a fighter, he is barred from so many feats. Now he can't enjoy his bonus feats that much. If he is either Barbarian or Ranger, he is simply in trouble with poor Dex. He is also barred from some nice prestige classes as he can't take appropriate skill ranks and feats.

>Rogues with Cha, Str and Int 8.

Rogue with low Int is inconvenient. Amount of skill points are important. Also, Search and Disable Device (both int-based) are so important for party survival (or case solving). Also, a Rogue with Str of 8 often meets a trouble of encumbrance. He must keep light load to be effective.

Of course, some player may love simpler character. But not all the players do the same. And not that taking three 8s is the best way (or only way) to go.

 

[two]

You don't. I do.....


Wizards with Cha, Wis and Str 8.
Fighters with Dex, Cha and Int 8.
Rogues with Cha, Str and Int 8.

Take your pick.

Seriously, a fighter with Str=18, Con=16 (26 points so far) and Wis = 12 (30 points total) isn't unbalanced at all compared with a fighter having: Str=16, Con=16, Dex=12, Wis = 14 or even Str=16, Con=16, Dex=14, Wis=12

In fact, the swing of 3 AC points on the last guy far more than offsets a loss of +1/+1 to hit/damage.

Fighters with dex=8 are really asking to get hit, a lot. Plus, vast numbers of feats and feat chains are off limits. Even someting as simple and effective as combat reflexes.

If PC fighters want to dump Dex, Ch, and Int, let them. I hardly think it's an optimal build.