Steve Jobs takes over as WotC CEO!

[Celebrim]

Wouldn't that be great?

Seriously, say what you want about Apple and their products, you can't deny the genius behind the success of Apple: Steve Jobs.

Yes, you can.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the reason I'm using a PC instead of a Mac, and the reason most of the posters are using a PC rather than a Mac, is Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs is a byword in the corporate world for how to mismanage your company. He's great at marketing. Sucks as a CEO.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Yes, you can.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the reason I'm using a PC instead of a Mac, and the reason most of the posters are using a PC rather than a Mac, is Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs is a byword in the corporate world for how to mismanage your company. He's great at marketing. Sucks as a CEO.

I think he's pretty good at what he does. But he has a highly authorial style, and I am not a fan of that. "Benevolent Dictators" aren't.

Apple products are good in many areas, but they are way to expensive just because of that Apple logo. Apple has a few advantages over other companies, or so they say, like the know-how to create an integrated soft & hardware platform - and market it effectively. But I am actually not such a great fan of this. I'd prefer a generic platform. But I guess the trend is to go away from that, like with video consoles dominating the games market and stuff like that...

I am using a MacBook Pro for most role-playing and writing purposes, and when I am running around. But I still keep my (higher end) PC - I want to have access to all the cool stuff Macs don't get, like decent computer games and tons of software.

I just find it interesting that this pages have so much anti-Apple agenda, while the discussions on the DDI are full of Mac-love and regret that the Virtual Game Table and similar stuff is limited to (Windows)-PCs...

 

[Aeolius]

I never would have expected to see so many people in one place with the wisdom to renounce Steve Jobs and call his products what they are...

I only lost a modicum of respect for Apple, when they put Al Gore on the board.

 

[Relique du Madde]

I hate Steve Jobs... I love the Woz. Steve Job, sadly is a marketer not a pioneer. Any and all revolutions created by apple should be attributed to his underlings and not himself. If Steve Jobs ran WoTC I would ONLY play Palladium games or White Wolf just because I loath him so much.

 

[Aqua Vitae]

Wouldn't that be great?

Steve Jobs: "What is this, that I keep hearing about you developing...What do you call it?! Windows!"

Bill Gates: "I'm not stealing from you, Steve. So don't even start that. 'Windows' is a 1st level Wizard spell; it can only summon imps and quasits...no where near the power of 'Gate'!"

 

[Tharkun]

Stephen Gary "Woz" Wozniak. This is the man people should be crediting with Apples success but Steve Jobs...where's the vomit smilie when you need it??

 

[Rackhir]

Stephen Gary "Woz" Wozniak. This is the man people should be crediting with Apples success but Steve Jobs...where's the vomit smilie when you need it??

Woz was great, but he hasn't been a part of Apple since the very early '80s (he was seriously injured in an airplane crash) and he's had no roll in Apple's since then. So he has had nothing to do with their revival in the past couple of years at all.

Also it's somewhat of a myth that Apple products are over priced. If you price out a Dell Workstation with similar hardware. It will be at least as much as a Mac Pro. You'll pay similar prices for a higher end Sony or Lenovo Notebook.

They just don't produce computers that compete with the cheap white box machines or the low end stuff from major manufacturers.

 

[Celebrim]

Apple products are good in many areas, but they are way to expensive just because of that Apple logo.

You should really read a history of the company some time. In many cases, Apple products are way too expensive because of Steve Jobs. He's been obsessed with packaging the product. The amount of money Apple spends to get a product to look a certain way is obscene. He an interior designer mascarading as a CEO. He nearly sank the company in the late 80's because he lavished so much money on in house manufacturing of purely cosmetic features.

And don't get me started on his hypocritical 'rebel outsider' marketing schtick.

Likewise, don't get me started on how badly he screwed over software vendors in the '80's. The real reason that Mac's don't have any software is that in the 80's, Steve Jobs decided that Macs were too good to have software. Seriously. He's a savant when it comes to plugging into a certain hip crowd, but when it comes to running a company he's just an idiot.

 

[Aqua Vitae]

You should really read a history of the company some time.

You should also check out the movie, Pirates of Silicon Valley. Someone uploaded it to YouTube in full, if you're interested.

 

[Rackhir]

You should really read a history of the company some time. In many cases, Apple products are way too expensive because of Steve Jobs. He's been obsessed with packaging the product. The amount of money Apple spends to get a product to look a certain way is obscene. He an interior designer mascarading as a CEO. He nearly sank the company in the late 80's because he lavished so much money on in house manufacturing of purely cosmetic features.

Huh? I have read several books on Apple and while I know he does care about how stuff looks and feels, the company's problems in the late '80s were hardly due to lavish spending on purely cosmetic features by Jobs. He left Apple in '85. So you might want to go back and re-read some of those books.

Likewise, don't get me started on how badly he screwed over software vendors in the '80's. The real reason that Mac's don't have any software is that in the 80's, Steve Jobs decided that Macs were too good to have software. Seriously. He's a savant when it comes to plugging into a certain hip crowd, but when it comes to running a company he's just an idiot.

Again, what vendors? Shipping every mac with Mac Paint and MacWrite did retard the development of apps for the mac to a certain extent (it's hard to compete with free), but Jobs didn't do anything that I'm aware of to discourage people from writing apps. He just wanted to make sure that they stuck to the user interface guidelines, that made the Mac such a joy to use back in the day (especially compared to DOS/Windows 1.0/2.0/3.0). Also again he was out of Apple in '85.

Obviously Microsoft's leveraging of their Word/Excel juggernaught and Apple's market share problems, had nothing to do with things either.

Are you sure you aren't letting your obviously rabid hatred of Jobs and Apple cloud your memory? We're you an Apple II devote?