Suggestions for epic level books?

[ChimericDream]

I've got the Epic Level Handbook from WotC and the Immortals Handbook: Epic Bestiary from Eternity Publishing. However, I'm looking for something somewhere in between. The ELH has quite a few good ideas, but I'm looking for more stuff in the 21-100 range, and the Epic Bestiary has just a few options at that level (and several others above ECL 1000....). I'm willing to go PDF or print, and it doesn't really matter whether it's WotC or 3rd party.

Any suggestions?

 

[Alzrius]

I thought the Epic Bestiary had quite a few good ideas for play between levels 21-100. The "Low Epic" and "Mid-epic" adventure ideas for the various monsters should all be within the range you're looking for.

If you want more epic monsters, Mongoose Publishing's Epic Monsters collects a lot from several Open Game sources, including Inner Circle Games's Legends of Avadnu.

There are a few epic adventures out there, such as Goodman Games's Dungeon Crawl Classics #33: Belly of the Great Beast, but most epic adventures are few and far between.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there muzick!

I've got the Epic Level Handbook from WotC and the Immortals Handbook: Epic Bestiary from Eternity Publishing. However, I'm looking for something somewhere in between. The ELH has quite a few good ideas, but I'm looking for more stuff in the 21-100 range, and the Epic Bestiary has just a few options at that level (and several others above ECL 1000....). I'm willing to go PDF or print, and it doesn't really matter whether it's WotC or 3rd party.

I thought I had a pretty good spread in the book...

Diamond Guardian CR 6
Diamond Golem CR 10
Force Guardian CR 10
Quintessence Elemental (Small) CR 10
Unelemental (Small) CR 10
Behemoth Bear CR 12
Mercury Guardian CR 12
Quintessence Elemental (Medium) CR 13
Unelemental (Medium) CR 13
Dire Tyrannosaur CR 14
Grigori CR 14+
Force Golem CR 18
Diamond Sentinel CR 19
Mercury Golem CR 19
Garm (Legendary Behemoth Wolf) CR 20
Qintessence Elemental (Large) CR 20
Unelemental (Large) CR 20
Ioun Golem CR 21
Airavata (Legendary Elephant) CR 24
Quintessence Elemental (Huge) CR 26
Unelemental (Huge) CR 26
Cicatrix (Daemon Master of Torture) CR 28
Diamond Gargant CR 28
Belias (Atata Balor) CR 29
Anakim CR 32
Odium CR 33+
Argento (Flaga Cloud Giant 13th-level Ranger) CR 34
Mercury Sentinel CR 35
Sadim CR 36
Syzygy (Brood Lord of Time) CR 36
Gibborim CR 37
Macrobe Praying Mantis CR 38
Kabiri (Demon Prince of Secrets) CR 39
Akishra CR 40
Force Sentinel CR 40
Quintessence Elemental (Greater) CR 40
Unelemental (Greater) CR 40
Elohim CR 42
Amilictli CR 46
Diamond Colossi CR 50
Quintessence Elemental (Elder) CR 53
Unelemental (Elder) CR 53
Maskim CR 55
Malakim CR 56
Mercury Gargant CR 64
Orichalcum Guardian CR 65
Force Gargant CR 72
Cogent CR 80
Nimrod (Akalich 60th-level Wizard) CR 80+
Kyriotates CR 84
Diamond Leviathan CR 85
Mercury Colossi CR 89
Orichalcum Golem CR 109
Sandalphon (King of Heaven) CR 120
Cherubim CR 126
Force Colossi CR 134
Mercury Leviathan CR 153
Alabaster (Amidah Vampire 117th-level Fighter) CR 163
Seraphim CR 168
Force Leviathan CR 294
Orichalcum Sentinel CR 330
Orcichalcum Gargant CR 554
Orichalcum Colossi CR 574
Orichalcum Leviathan CR 1068
Neutronium Golem CR 9721

Not to mention...

Cometary Dragon CR 116-248
Nexus Dragon CR 416-690
Platinum Dragon CR 29-95
Polychromatic Dragon CR 20-86
Timber Dragon CR 26-92
Titanium Dragon CR 29-95
Void Dragon CR 128-260

Which bits did you feel it was lacking in? Just interested to hear your feedback for future reference.

Any suggestions?

I should have the Immortals Handbook: Gods & Monsters for November. 160 pages (roughly 75 pages detailing various gods and the same number detailing monsters wholly derived from mythological sources: including the Drakainai, Gigantes, Typhon...I have a 90% list on the following link).

http://www.immortalshandbook.com/godsnmonsters.htm

 

[ChimericDream]

Hey there muzick!



I thought I had a pretty good spread in the book...

[...cut a bit...]

Which bits did you feel it was lacking in? Just interested to hear your feedback for future reference.

I should have the Immortals Handbook: Gods & Monsters for November. 160 pages (roughly 75 pages detailing various gods and the same number detailing monsters wholly derived from mythological sources: including the Drakainai, Gigantes, Typhon...I have a 90% list on the following link).

http://www.immortalshandbook.com/godsnmonsters.htm

Hmmmm.... Apparently I was spending so much time trying to figure out just when in the world I'd ever use a CR 9721 creature that the rest of the stuff in there just got lost in the shuffle. I do like the book, though. Quite a bit, in fact. The only thing I don't think I'll use (other than the *really* high CR creatures) is the rules on virtual size categories. I haven't made quite that many changes to the size rules, and a lot of the creatures in the book assume that you're using those rules.

I definitely have to give you kudos for creating that book, though. Some really cool ideas in there. I'll also be looking forward to the next book in the series.

 

[Pants]

Neutronium Golem CR 9721

Uhhh.... A CR 9721? When the hell would anyone ever get a chance to use that?

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Manual has alternate epic progression for levels 21-30.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey muzick!

Hmmmm.... Apparently I was spending so much time trying to figure out just when in the world I'd ever use a CR 9721 creature that the rest of the stuff in there just got lost in the shuffle.

I do like the book, though. Quite a bit, in fact.

Thanks.

The only thing I don't think I'll use (other than the *really* high CR creatures) is the rules on virtual size categories. I haven't made quite that many changes to the size rules, and a lot of the creatures in the book assume that you're using those rules.

Well I outlined in the book as best I could why I advocate making those changes, but I guess you can't please all the people all the time.

I definitely have to give you kudos for creating that book, though. Some really cool ideas in there. I'll also be looking forward to the next book in the series.

Thanks. The text for Ascension is virtually complete and I am working on the art. Should be a June release for that pdf.

 

[Nifft]

Uhhh.... A CR 9721? When the hell would anyone ever get a chance to use that?

Well, sometimes you want to challenge your PCs who are only 9,720th level...

Cheers, -- N

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Pants!

Uhhh.... A CR 9721? When the hell would anyone ever get a chance to use that?

Well initially the Neutronium Golem was primarily an exercise in expanding the limits of what people perceived was possible both mechanically and philosophically.

I wanted to exponentially shift the 'goalposts' as it were.

I also wanted to create a monster that would really scare epic PCs. In that capacity its a kind of ultra-high level bogeyman.

Since the pdfs release I have come into contact with people who game at that sort of level (including one group who game above that level - I kid you not) as well as a few others who have indirectly used it in various capacities.

 

[Drowbane]

Howdy Pants!



Well initially the Neutronium Golem was primarily an exercise in expanding the limits of what people perceived was possible both mechanically and philosophically.

I wanted to exponentially shift the 'goalposts' as it were.

I also wanted to create a monster that would really scare epic PCs. In that capacity its a kind of ultra-high level bogeyman.

Since the pdfs release I have come into contact with people who game at that sort of level (including one group who game above that level - I kid you not) as well as a few others who have indirectly used it in various capacities.

If effect, it is the "new tarrasque".