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Kill Bill I believe has an October release date. Not really summer.

The only summer movie I'm at all excited about is Finding Nemo. Pixar has never let me down yet.

But LXG looks AWFUL, and Pirates is by Gore Verbinsky, the guy who took Julia Roberts and Brad Pitt and James Gandolfini and made a piece of total crap with The Mexican, and you know, I love Johnny Depp but how many truly great films that weren't directed by Tim Burton has he made? He's been great in lots of bad movies, no question. But... I dunno. The strikes against are: Gore Verbinsky. Pirate movie. Johnny Depp. I dunno.

X2 looks, if anything, worse than the first one. Please, Mr. Singer, stop pretending you're an action director. You're not. You've proven it. Please stop. It hurts. It burns us, yes.

The Matrix films -- well I went into some detail on my feelings about the Matrix in that other thread, so suffice to say I'm willing to be surprised.

And The Hulk just looks terrible. And what I said about Bryan Singer? Apply that straight to Ang Lee, thanks very much. Stop it. Bad director. Stop.

I'm curious about T3 just to see how they explain robots in the future looking older than they used to.

Wow, I surely am cranky, ain't I?

Kill Bill. Now THERE's cool on screen. Uh-huh.
 

barsoomcore said:
Wow, I surely am cranky, ain't I?

Kill Bill. Now THERE's cool on screen. Uh-huh.
Please don't take this the wrong way, as you know that I have different views of movies (from the Matrix thread) from others as well but: do you consider yourself a film snob? I only ask because I used to be very cynical about movies myself. But as time has gone on, I have lightened up a bit and have been able to enjoy more films. I mean crap is still crap as you can't polish a turd. I'm just curious because I knew that my standards were high for quite some time there. Do you consider yours very high?
 

barsoomcore said:

Wow, I surely am cranky, ain't I?

You sound kind of angry ... at me or people like me who liked the movies you don't (or aren't likely to) like.

Maybe it's just me, but the message I hear coming across (not just here but in your Matrix posts too) is, "why isn't everyone else in the world smart enough to see the flaws that I see?" Or maybe it's more like, "85% of the viewers liked the Matrix? Then 85% of viewers are dumb because it's so obviously not a very good movie."

Folks at RPG.net have made the same arguments about D&D vs. (insert their favorite but unjustly-less-popular-for-some-reason RPG here) -- D&D is a dumbed-down game that caters to the Pokemon crowd and attracts unimaginitive sheep as players. You and I know it's not true, but but that kind of argument is a convenient way to blame the masses for not supporting whatever it is you do happen to like.

Do you fear (maybe that's too strong a word, but still) that if people do enjoy a movie like the Matrix (for example) that this will keep studios from producing movies that you would find stimulating?
 

Must sees: X-Men 2 and Matrix Reloaded.

Maybes: The Hulk, Terminator 3, and Pirates of the Carribean.

I also saw a preview of of a movie I saw in the theatres but I can't remember what it was.
 

EricNoah said:


You sound kind of angry ... at me or people like me who liked the movies you don't (or aren't likely to) like.

Maybe it's just me, but the message I hear coming across (not just here but in your Matrix posts too) is, "why isn't everyone else in the world smart enough to see the flaws that I see?" Or maybe it's more like, "85% of the viewers liked the Matrix? Then 85% of viewers are dumb because it's so obviously not a very good movie."

Folks at RPG.net have made the same arguments about D&D vs. (insert their favorite but unjustly-less-popular-for-some-reason RPG here) -- D&D is a dumbed-down game that caters to the Pokemon crowd and attracts unimaginitive sheep as players. You and I know it's not true, but but that kind of argument is a convenient way to blame the masses for not supporting whatever it is you do happen to like.

Do you fear (maybe that's too strong a word, but still) that if people do enjoy a movie like the Matrix (for example) that this will keep studios from producing movies that you would find stimulating?

amen.

maybe you could put this in the "i hate stupid people" thread over at the General RPG forum.
 

My Summer Picks

Identity is a must-see this weekend.

Bruce Almighty.
The Italian Job looks like it will be nice, and I should know since I saw most of the salient points in the %^$*&$ trailer. But I may still see it.
Wrong Turn might be a definate. Hillybilly mutants, yes.
28 Days Later. Definately.
Animated Sinbad, by the same people that did Prince of Egypt. mmmm.
Shaolin Soccer. I must see this.
The Medallion might be good. Jackie Chan!
Hero, if it ever comes here.
Jeepers Creepers II of course. The first was amazingly cool. Here's hoping..

And of course, all the blockbusters mentioned above :)
 

Must See: X2, I'm just a sucker for X-Men stuff.

Probably: Matrix: Reloaded. I'm not a big Matrix fan but agree the style and look is great.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: I loved the comic. If this is half as good it's worth a look.

Hulk: Though I'm dreading the script I saw posted is right. The less this has to do with the TV series, the better.
 

EricNoah said:
You sound kind of angry ... at me or people like me who liked the movies you don't (or aren't likely to) like.
Well, I don't think I am. I know that I like plenty of movies other people hate. I loved Deep Rising, for heaven's sake, and bought The Scorpion King, so believe me, I'm not sneering at anyone's tastes.
Maybe it's just me, but the message I hear coming across (not just here but in your Matrix posts too) is, "why isn't everyone else in the world smart enough to see the flaws that I see?" Or maybe it's more like, "85% of the viewers liked the Matrix? Then 85% of viewers are dumb because it's so obviously not a very good movie."
See, that's important for me to know. Because it's not what I think, even if it's what I'm putting across. I tried to be really clear that while I thought the Matrix was a bad movie, I also thought there were perfectly good reasons for people to like it. They're just not reasons that matter much to me. I don't like video games, either, for much the same reasons -- but that's not to say I think people who like video games are dummies.

Look, I feel strongly about movies. They mean a lot to me and I spend most of my time thinking about them and how to make them and what I want to see in them.

But big deal. So do you, and so do lots of people, and I really like hearing people's opinions, especially when they are different than mine. I don't dislike or resent people because they have different tastes or opinions than mine -- at least I try really hard not to.

But I do feel strongly about my opinions and I express them as strongly as I feel them.
Do you fear (maybe that's too strong a word, but still) that if people do enjoy a movie like the Matrix (for example) that this will keep studios from producing movies that you would find stimulating?
Not really. Again, I think.

(as an aside, I'm reasonably convinced that we are all the worst observers of our own behaviour, so take my statements about my intentions or feelings with large salt crystals)

I do worry that we'll never make movies that will find much of an audience, but I figure that if The Mummy is any indication, we might do okay. Because I'd be awfully proud to have made that movie. And there's lots of movies that get made that I really enjoy. I think I enjoy more movies than I hate. I liked Chicago just fine. And The Core got a serious thumbs-up from me.

I don't think I have better taste than anyone. All I know is that after I see a film I spend a good deal of effort trying to figure out why I felt the way I did about it -- whether I liked it or hated it. If it becomes popular, or flops, I usually try and figure out why.

I don't believe most people are stupid and I don't believe that people go see crap because they don't know any better. Movies become popular for good reasons. That may not have anything to do with their quality, but they're still reasons.

I do think that many people are unused to hard conversation, to defending their opinions and assessing new ideas with rigour. I like doing that and so I know that sometimes it seems like I really jump on peoples' heads. I'm just enthusiastic and I've gotten better at keeping things civil. I hope.

Well, apparently there's room for improvement. I will keep trying.
 

John Crichton said:
Do you consider yourself a film snob? I only ask because I used to be very cynical about movies myself. I'm just curious because I knew that my standards were high for quite some time there. Do you consider yours very high?
Good grief, no. Or, yes. It depends.

I am certainly more than capable of enjoying movies that lack certain components. Acting. Quality photography. Common sense.

A film doesn't have to have any particular qualities to meet my standards other than one -- it must not be dull. Dull films I cannot stand, and I don't care how pretty they are or who's in them or anything -- I hate dull movies.

But my friends are regularly poking fun at me for my low-brow tastes. And I don't hang out with especially high-brow types. I just like The Scorpion King.

I said pretty much all I needed to say in the above post (and then some, said the audience) -- I just wanted to say very particularly that I am not (in my estimation) a film snob, not in the slightest cynical about films, and I enjoy most films I see.

I do think Bryan Singer sucks. I also think Ang Lee doesn't know the first thing about fight scenes. I don't think that makes me a snob.

I don't think people who have different opinions than I do are dummies. Which I think is kind of the definition of a snob.
 

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