Sure Striking?

[Azure Trance]

Such as...? (Just curious)

The Metallian

The fact that monsters such as Pit Fiends don't need +5 to hurt it, but instead Holy Silver. So the plusses are less useful if you try to attack it (or some such other creature which requires a special material weapon)

 

[Darklone]

As a member of a group with a DM that considered three +1 weapons (longsword and two daggers) as overpowered for a ~lvl8-9 group, I can say:

DR20/+anything does not scare me anymore. We had it all. DR30/+1 would have been more dangerous

 

[Pax]

I was thinking if the sure striking bonus for weapons is overpowerd. The bonus is +1 ,and in my opinion, has to be at least +2.

Personally, I house rule Sure Striking to work differently.

Instead of "bypasses DR as if the wapon were +5" ... IMC, it "bypasses DR as if the weapon were +2 higher than it is"

So a +3 Sure Striking weapon can bypass better DR thana +1 Sure Striking weapon.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Re: Re: Sure Striking?

So a +3 Sure Striking weapon can bypass better DR thana +1 Sure Striking weapon.

How about a +1 Sure Striking weapon GMW'd to +3? Bypasses DR X/+5?

-Hyp.

 

[Pax]

Hyper: Sure ... why not?

 

[PinGuim]

If you meant that as a clarification, you're going to have to explain what you mean by "serial killer" in this context.

I was thinking about golens and elementals. The iron golen has 100 hps, but DR 50/+3, it is hard to beat him whitout this weapon. Therefore if you have one... a hundred of hps will be a piece of cake.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

I was thinking about golens and elementals. The iron golen has 100 hps, but DR 50/+3, it is hard to beat him whitout this weapon. Therefore if you have one... a hundred of hps will be a piece of cake.

See, here you just prove my point. An iron golem is a CR 13 creature. How many 13th-level parties do not have +3 weapons? Heck, a greater magic weapon from a 13th level cleric cooks up a +4 weapon. And a full collection of golembane scarabs costs less than an emergency +1, sure striking weapon.

You don't need a sure striking weapon to kill an iron golem. You need the magic weapon you ought to already have anyway. Cases where creatures' DR is more than +1 out of whack for their CR are really pretty rare, so sure striking isn't really worth more than +1.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Re: Re: Sure Striking?

Instead of "bypasses DR as if the wapon were +5" ... IMC, it "bypasses DR as if the weapon were +2 higher than it is"

If any of your players buy it at this price, they are big fools.

 

[PinGuim]

See, here you just prove my point. An iron golem is a CR 13 creature. How many 13th-level parties do not have +3 weapons? Heck, a greater magic weapon from a 13th level cleric cooks up a +4 weapon. And a full collection of golembane scarabs costs less than an emergency +1, sure striking weapon.

You don't need a sure striking weapon to kill an iron golem. You need the magic weapon you ought to already have anyway. Cases where creatures' DR is more than +1 out of whack for their CR are really pretty rare, so sure striking isn't really worth more than +1.

I can see your point, but I was thinking about a 6th to 8th level, they can strike this golem easily, as the 13th with their great weapons and spells, because of that I said sure striking is overpowerd.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

I can see your point, but I was thinking about a 6th to 8th level, they can strike this golem easily, as the 13th with their great weapons and spells, because of that I said sure striking is overpowerd.

How on earth are they striking the golem "easily," when it has an AC of 30 and they're only 6th to 8th level? And how long are they doing so when the golem gets +23 to hit them (2 times per round if they don't know the trick of how to slow the thing), and does an average of 22 points of damage each time it does? And the party fighter is all alone in this, since the thing is immune to almost all magic and to sneak attacks? Heck, even the DC17 Fortitude save to avoid death from the thing's breath weapon is definitely no slam-dunk for even a 6th- to 8th-level fighter.

Even without DR, my 6th level party would be pounded flat pretty fast by that fight.

But then, like I said, I don't see golems as really being the issue. A collection of all of the golembane scarabs is noticeably cheaper than a sure striking weapon even as it is.