Survivor Dragons: BLACK DRAGON WINS!

Phazonfish

Explorer
Black Dragon 21
Blue Dragon 20 - Sorry blue dragon group, I have to downvote someone and you are the current king of the hill.
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 20
Faerie Dragon 21
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 18 - I used to think green dragons were the lamest of the bunch because poison is so lackluster, but after seeing Raishan in CR and reading on the mannerisms common to the species, they are quite certainly my favorite.
Pseudodragon 17
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 21
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 14
White Dragon 20
 

chrisrtld

Explorer
Black Dragon 21
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 20
Faerie Dragon 21
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 16
Pseudodragon 17
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 21
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 14
White Dragon 20
 

Ed_Laprade

Adventurer
Black Dragon 21
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 20 -2 = 18
Faerie Dragon 21 +1 = 22

Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 16
Pseudodragon 17
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 21
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 14
White Dragon 20
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
Black Dragon 21
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 18
Faerie Dragon 23
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 17
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 21
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 14
White Dragon 20
 

mortwatcher

Explorer
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 18
Faerie Dragon 23
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 15
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 21
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 14
White Dragon 20
 

Harzel

Adventurer
Steel Dragon 18 - 2 = 16 couldn't even make it to 5e, won't make it here!
Apparently, I am in a narrative mood, but if you're short on time or attention -

While AFAIK there is no 5e stat block labeled "Steel Dragon", there is an NPC in Dungeon of the Mad Mage who is described as "a female adult steel dragon" and appears to have been built as a tweaked Silver Dragon.

Actually, it's complicated. Having played only the true editions, 1* and 5*, skipping the apocryphal 2, 3, and 4, I had never heard of a Steel Dragon. Since there is no entry for 'Steel Dragon' on DnD Beyond, the first of @lowkey13's two sources, I consulted the second, Dragons (5e). And indeed Steel Dragon appears in this list. Looking at the descriptions and references given in the Steel Dragon entry there, at first I thought that they all pointed back to previous (apocryphal ;)) editions and I was getting all wound up to make fun of our Dear Leader for relying on a fan site. But then I noticed that there were two 5e documents in the list of references. One is to the Silver Dragon description in the 5e MM. That didn't make any sense until I looked at the other one, which points to Dungeon of the Mad Mage. It turns out that on Level 21, there is an NPC described thus

DotMM said:
Stalagma. Stalagma Steelshadow, a female adult steel dragon in duergar form, is mounted on a gorgon near the bend in the mine track.
[and subsequently]
Stalagma is Valtagar Steelshadow’s beloved mate, and only Valtagar knows that his wife is a dragon in disguise. In her true form, Stalagma looks like a slender, 30-foot-long dragon with shiny steel-gray scales covering her body, steely talons, and blade-like horns that sweep back from her narrow head. She has the statistics of an adult silver dragon, with these changes: [list of changes]
So even if Steel Dragons didn't make it as a group, 'a steel dragon' did.

* Because, you know, those are the ones I played.
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Apparently, I am in a narrative mood, but if you're short on time or attention -

While AFAIK there is no 5e stat block labeled "Steel Dragon", there is an NPC in Dungeon of the Mad Mage who is described as "a female adult steel dragon" and appears to have been built as a tweaked Silver Dragon.

Actually, it's complicated. Having played only the true editions, 1* and 5*, skipping the apocryphal 2, 3, and 4, I had never heard of a Steel Dragon. Since there is no entry for 'Steel Dragon' on DnD Beyond, the first of @lowkey13's two sources, I consulted the second, Dragons (5e). And indeed Steel Dragon appears in this list. Looking at the descriptions and references given in the Steel Dragon entry there, at first I thought that they all pointed back to previous (apocryphal ;)) editions and I was getting all wound up to make fun of our Dear Leader for relying on a fan site. But then I noticed that there were two 5e documents in the list of references. One is to the Silver Dragon description in the 5e MM. That didn't make any sense until I looked at the other one, which points to Dungeon of the Mad Mage. It turns out that on Level 21, there is an NPC described thus



So even if Steel Dragons didn't make it as a group, 'a steel dragon' did.

* Because, you know, those are the ones I played.
Huh, I even own that book and forgot about it...

It doesn't really help that the Steel Dragon is barely different than a Silver dragon (has Acid breath instead of Cold), but we don't get Sapphire Dragons on the list when they actually have a statblock now.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
@Harzel and @Urriak Uruk , you are forgetting the bigger picture.
There are impostors...and by that I mean bold-faced, deliberate fakes...on the list that need to be eliminated. There will be plenty of time to discuss the missing gem dragons and the dubious steel dragons once the pseudo and faerie have been rightly sent to the trash heap.
/rage
/wailing
/gnashing of teeth
/crying havoc
/letting slip the dogs of war
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
@Harzel and @Urriak Uruk , you are forgetting the bigger picture.
There are impostors...and by that I mean bold-faced, deliberate fakes...on the list that need to be eliminated. There will be plenty of time to discuss the missing gem dragons and the dubious steel dragons once the pseudo and faerie have been rightly sent to the trash heap.
/rage
/wailing
/gnashing of teeth
/crying havoc
/letting slip the dogs of war
Agreed!
 

Ashrym

Hero
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 18
Faerie Dragon 23
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 21
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 18
Faerie Dragon 23
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 20 + 1 = 21
Shadow Dragon 21 - 2 = 19

Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 16
Faerie Dragon 24
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 21
Shadow Dragon 19
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 

Harzel

Adventurer
@Harzel and @Urriak Uruk , you are forgetting the bigger picture.
There are impostors...and by that I mean bold-faced, deliberate fakes...on the list that need to be eliminated. There will be plenty of time to discuss the missing gem dragons and the dubious steel dragons once the pseudo and faerie have been rightly sent to the trash heap.
/rage
/wailing
/gnashing of teeth
/crying havoc
/letting slip the dogs of war
/releasing the kraken
/untethering the tarrasque

Anyway, I am so glad that you have identified this looming crisis. I will immediately add to my to-do list assigning someone to call a meeting to form a committee to study the problem further.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
/releasing the kraken
/untethering the tarrasque

Anyway, I am so glad that you have identified this looming crisis. I will immediately add to my to-do list assigning someone to call a meeting to form a committee to study the problem further.
woah woah woah. Do you think we are ready to assign someone? Seems rather sudden. We should have a pre-meeting to form a selection committee, to brainstorm ideas and identify the qualities we are looking for. It's the only way to ensure the right person is selected for the assignment to call the meeting to form a committee to study the problem further.

And the problem, we all agree, is that there are creatures prancing about that aren't enormous, can't breathe fire, don't eat knights, and still have the audacity to call themselves dragons.
 

ccs

39th lv DM
And the problem, we all agree, is that there are creatures prancing about that aren't enormous, can't breathe fire, don't eat knights, and still have the audacity to call themselves dragons.
Hey now, my 1/2ling warlocks Pseudo-dragon patron/familiar "Scales" has definitely eaten a knight. An evil knight. And in many tiny bites. But he's eaten them.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Hey now, my 1/2ling warlocks Pseudo-dragon patron/familiar "Scales" has definitely eaten a knight. An evil knight. And in many tiny bites. But he's eaten them.
What you have there is a weird lizard, not a dragon. (Gotta admit, he sounds adorable though.)
 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 16-2 = 14 Is it a turtle? Is it a dragon? Or a mutant?
Faerie Dragon 24
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 21+1 = 22
Shadow Dragon 19
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 14
Faerie Dragon 25
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 19
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 
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Torquar

Explorer
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 14
Faerie Dragon 23
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 14
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 20
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 

ccs

39th lv DM
Black Dragon 22
Blue Dragon 21
Brass Dragon 20
Bronze Dragon 16
Copper Dragon 21
Dragon Turtle 12
Faerie Dragon 23
Gold Dragon 20
Green Dragon 15
Pseudodragon 16
Red Dragon 20
Shadow Dragon 20
Silver Dragon 21
Steel Dragon 12
White Dragon 20
 

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