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5E SURVIVOR RETURNS: Lich Wars - Vecna Wins!

Dausuul

Legend
Undead won the Monster Types thread. Vecna’s Hand and Eye were in the top two on Artifacts and Relics before the forum crash. And the Survivor threads are returning from the grave after they were all seemingly destroyed. Clearly, the new Survivor thread needs to be about liches. :)

In this Survivor, D&D’s most infamous liches, demiliches, and liches-turned-deities*, plus one dracolich, turn their centuries-long plots and undead legions against each other! As usual, each day, you get one upvote for +1 and one downvote for -2. Ten points seemed to go a little too quick, so I'm upping this one to thirteen.


Acererak - 13
Azalin - 13
Dragotha - 13
Dregoth - 13
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 13
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 13
Vlaakith CLVII - 13
Xykon** - 13

[SIZE=-2]* The fact that we need a category for this is disturbing.
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** Technically, Xykon shouldn’t be on this list, since he isn’t an official D&D lich. Xykon’s not big on following rules, though.[/SIZE]
 
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Dausuul

Legend
A refresher for anyone trying to recall which lich is who:

Acererak - Greyhawk. The demilich creator and inhabitant of the Tomb of Horrors.
Azalin - Ravenloft. The lich darklord of Darkon, one of the major domains in Ravenloft.
Dragotha - Greyhawk. The dracolich lieutenant of Kyuss, god of undeath. Not to be confused with Dregoth.
Dregoth - Dark Sun. The undead sorcerer-king of Giustenal, slain by his rivals just before completing dragon metamorphosis. Not to be confused with Dragotha.
Erandis Vol - Eberron. Mistress of the Emerald Claw and the Blood of Vol cult.
Fistandantilus - Dragonlance. The Master of Past and of Present, parasitic mentor and role model for Raistlin Majere.
Harthoon - No single setting. Advisor to Orcus.
Kieransalee - Forgotten Realms. Drow lich-queen who became the drow goddess of vengeance and the undead.
Szass Tam - Forgotten Realms. The Zulkir of Necromancy and now ruler of Thay.
Vecna - Greyhawk. A mighty lich from Greyhawk's distant past; destroyed by his treacherous lieutenant, leaving only a hand and eye. Came back to become the god of secrets.
Velsharoon - Forgotten Realms. Lich wizard who became a god of necromancy.
Vlaakith CLVII - No single setting. Lich queen of the githyanki.
Xykon - Order of the Stick. A slightly dim-witted but very powerful sorcerer lich, pursuing a demented scheme to enslave an extraplanar deity-killing monstrosity.
 
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Dausuul

Legend
Might as well just narrow it down to Xykon and Acererak now ;)
You might be surprised. The Heroes and Villains thread was won by Gord the Rogue, whom I certainly would not have picked for a top contender in a list containing Raistlin and Drizzt.

Some of these guys are likely to go down fast (I doubt anybody's going to make much effort to defend Velsharoon), but for the top spot, I could see any number of possibilities. Those that are the sole representatives of a particular setting--Azalin for Ravenloft, Fistandantilus for Dragonlance, Dregoth for Dark Sun, and Erandis Vol for Eberron--may end up as proxies for that setting's fan support. And you should never count out Vecna in any scenario.
 
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Dausuul

Legend
And to start off the voting:

Acererak - 13
Azalin - 13
Dragotha - 13
Dregoth - 13
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 13
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 11
Vlaakith CLVII - 14
Xykon - 13

I like the githyanki, and something about Vlaakith just appeals to me. Bonus points for being a female lich, which is not terribly common (only three of the thirteen).

Velsharoon made the cut because I wanted a thirteenth lich to round out the list, and he'd managed to cross the "deity" threshold, which was barely enough to make him notable. He's just a bargain-basement Vecna, though.
 

Acererak - 14 He's killed more adventurers than all the DMs' Girlfriends combined...
Azalin - 13
Dragotha - 11 Even after reading the descriptions, I still don't know who this is.
Dregoth - 13
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 13
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 11
Vlaakith CLVII - 14
Xykon - 13
 

steeldragons

Steeliest of the dragons
Acererak - 15
Azalin - 13
Dragotha - 9 -a drawing in a corner of the White Plume Mountain map does not a "lich" make.
Dregoth - 13
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 13
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 11
Vlaakith CLVII - 14
Xykon - 13
 


Acererak - 16
Azalin - 13
Dragotha - 9
Dregoth - 11 -- Borys is the real thing. Dregoth is just a wannabe replacement because TSR's writers killed Borys off-screen with a MacGuffin and still needed someone for adventurers to fear. Better solution: just don't kill Borys in your campaign.
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 11
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 11
Vlaakith CLVII - 14
Xykon - 14
 

Dausuul

Legend
Well, so far it looks like Sacrosanct's prediction is spot-on. :)

I admit, I don't quite get the Acererak thing. All the guy ever did was build a dungeon. Is it just the cathartic nature of that dungeon, allowing DMs to indulge their fantasies of gruesomely slaughtering the PCs with no concern for fairness?
 

Jacob Marley

First Post
Acererak - 16
Azalin - 14
Dragotha - 9
Dregoth - 11
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 11
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 11
Vlaakith CLVII - 14
Xykon - 12

We can't let Sacrosanct be right.
 

Well, so far it looks like Sacrosanct's prediction is spot-on. :)


I admit, I don't quite get the Acererak thing. All the guy ever did was build a dungeon. Is it just the cathartic nature of that dungeon, allowing DMs to indulge their fantasies of gruesomely slaughtering the PCs with no concern for fairness?
Yes. Yes, it is. ;)
 

MonsterEnvy

Adventurer
Szass Tam - Forgotten Realms. The Zulkir of Necromancy, one of the eight rulers of Thay.
Correction on this. Tam is the ruler of the Thay. He became so when he single highhandedly killed the others. (And he owned them hard. Doing stuff like transforming the one that specialized in conjuration and summoning demons into a Manes the weakest of Demons. And doing stuff like taking control of their own spells and throwing it back at them.) After this he gave thay the largest population of undead in the world and turned it into a dangerous empires replacing the vacant seats of officers with undead under his control.
 

Dausuul

Legend
Correction on this. Tam is the ruler of the Thay. He became so when he single highhandedly killed the others. (And he owned them hard. Doing stuff like transforming the one that specialized in conjuration and summoning demons into a Manes the weakest of Demons. And doing stuff like taking control of their own spells and throwing it back at them.) After this he gave thay the largest population of undead in the world and turned it into a dangerous empires replacing the vacant seats of officers with undead under his control.
Duly updated, thanks!
 

Dausuul

Legend
Acererak - 16
Azalin - 14
Dragotha - 9
Dregoth - 11
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 11
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 9
Vlaakith CLVII - 15
Xykon - 12

Still like Vlaakith, still think Velsharoon is a wannabe. A divine wannabe, but a wannabe.
 

Well, so far it looks like Sacrosanct's prediction is spot-on. :)

I admit, I don't quite get the Acererak thing. All the guy ever did was build a dungeon. Is it just the cathartic nature of that dungeon, allowing DMs to indulge their fantasies of gruesomely slaughtering the PCs with no concern for fairness?
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that when PCs get gruesomely slaughtered that way, it reinforces the fact that Acererak wins, which is exactly what smart liches do. In short, it gives him rep.

BTW it's too bad Korel isn't on the list or maybe I'd vote for him instead.
 
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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Acererak - 14 - This guy sounds like a medication. I hear the side effects are killer.
Azalin - 14
Dragotha - 9
Dregoth - 11
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 11
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 9
Vlaakith CLVII - 15
Xykon - 13

Sacrosanct IS right. ;)
 

ElderElementalEye

First Post
Acererak - 14
Azalin - 14
Dragotha - 9
Dregoth - 11
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 9
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 13
Vecna - 13
Velsharoon - 9
Vlaakith CLVII - 15
Xykon - 14 -- Just because he actually enjoys being evil
 

Saelorn

Hero
Acererak - 14
Azalin - 14
Dragotha - 9
Dregoth - 11
Erandis Vol - 13
Fistandantilus - 13
Harthoon - 9
Kieransalee - 13
Szass Tam - 11 -- Because I don't know how to pronounce it.
Vecna - 14 -- Because of his head, and the story about it.
Velsharoon - 9
Vlaakith CLVII - 15
Xykon - 13 -- Because someone did a +2 instead of +1.
 
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Quartz

Adventurer
I'm disappointed: not a single cleric lich in the list. Not that I can actually remember any, mind.

PS early vote for Death Knights next!
 

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