Sustaining a power provokes OAs?

[Hypersmurf]

Nobody's mentioned this yet, but note the last part of that sentence.

You conjure the sphere (a use of a ranged power, thus provoking OAs).

The sphere attacks.

Thus if anyone is provoking OAs, it's the sphere, not you.

You're quoting the Effect entry, but the debate is over the Sustain entry. And the Sustain entry says "As a standard action, you can make another attack with the sphere."

You attack, with the sphere. When you sustain, it's no longer the sphere attacking, it's you attacking.

-Hyp.

 

[Bagpuss]

In this case, I think the term "using" is the source of the confusion. I see "using" to mean the initial implementation of a power.

But using could equally mean using the sustain line of the power description or the bit about moving the zone line of the power.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But using could equally mean using the sustain line of the power description or the bit about moving the zone line of the power.

So how do you get around the "You can only use a daily power once per day" limitation, if you "use" the power each time you sustain it, or each time you move the zone?

If I sustain the power for three rounds, "using" it three times, I've exceeded the once-per-day limitation.

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

Consider Freezing Cloud (Wiz 1).

Now that is a convincing arguement. I think you are right - powers only provoke when they are initially used, not when they are sustained.

 

[Caliban]

Now that is a convincing arguement. I think you are right - powers only provoke when they are initially used, not when they are sustained.

And now I'm reversing myself again. The Freezing Cloud spell doesn't actually apply to this debate, as it makes it's attacks without any action on your part. You aren't making the attacks, the spell is in this case. (Unlike flaming sphere.)

I don't buy the semantics based arguement about "used" either. The same term can mean different things based on the context, and I think that is the case here.

They are referring to two different ways of "using" a power - one way is to initiate an instance of the power - that use is limited by your number of uses per day or per encounter.

The other way is use the power to do something once it has been initiated.

So you "use" the power to create the effect (a Flaming Sphere for instance) and then you "use" it a different way when you attack with it.

 

[Hypersmurf]

And now I'm reversing myself again. The Freezing Cloud spell doesn't actually apply to this debate, as it makes it's attacks without any action on your part. You aren't making the attacks, the spell is in this case. (Unlike flaming sphere.)

So let's say you have the Burning Blizzard feat, and you use Freezing Cloud.

A creature who starts his turn in the area is subject to another attack; you're calling this an attack that the spell makes.

Does the +1 feat bonus to "damage rolls when you use a power that has the cold keyword" apply to these additional attacks?

Let's say the party warlord has used White Raven Onslaught - whenever the warlord or an ally makes a successful attack, the attacker slides an adjacent ally 1 square. If a creature enters the Freezing Cloud, and the attack is successful, can the wizard slide an ally?

Let's say the warlord used Warlord's Favor, granting the wizard a +2 bonus to attack rolls against the target. The target enters the Freezing Cloud. Does the attack roll for the Freezing Cloud include the +2?

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

So let's say you have the Burning Blizzard feat, and you use Freezing Cloud.

A creature who starts his turn in the area is subject to another attack; you're calling this an attack that the spell makes.

Does the +1 feat bonus to "damage rolls when you use a power that has the cold keyword" apply to these additional attacks?

Let's say the party warlord has used White Raven Onslaught - whenever the warlord or an ally makes a successful attack, the attacker slides an adjacent ally 1 square. If a creature enters the Freezing Cloud, and the attack is successful, can the wizard slide an ally?

Let's say the warlord used Warlord's Favor, granting the wizard a +2 bonus to attack rolls against the target. The target enters the Freezing Cloud. Does the attack roll for the Freezing Cloud include the +2?

-Hyp.

Try again without phrasing your arguements in the form of a question. You know I won't play that game with you.

 

[Thanee]

Isn't sustaining a power using that power?

Aren't you the one that calls for RAW and now argues with colloquial use of language?

No, it does not. Using the power is "activating" it.

EDIT: Oops, just noticed that this thread has more than one page already.

Anyways, FWIW...

Page 290 under "Opportunity Attack" specifies what provokes... the only item there that might come into play is "using a ranged or area power".
Page 292 under "Use a Power" doesn't really help, so what does "use a power" mean?
Page 56 under "Action Type" clearly specifies what "use" means in this context by connecting it with the initial action used to activate a power.
Page 59 under "Sustain" refers to "Durations" on page 278.
page 278 under "Durations" says nothing about sustaining and provoking OAs, therefore no OA is provoked.

Also, the term "use a power" is never used in context of sustaining a power.

Use a Power is activating the power.
Sustaining a Power is continuing to have it take effect.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

Try again without phrasing your arguements in the form of a question.

I'm quite comfortable with the post in its existing form.

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

I'm quite comfortable with the post in its existing form.

-Hyp.

Well, I'm not going to do your heavy lifting for you. If you have an arguement to make, then make it. Don't try to lead me down a path so I make it for you.

I've told you multiple times in the past that I hate that crap.