Sword of Subtlety

[0-hr]

A +1 short sword with a thin, dull gray blade, this sword adds
a +4 bonus to its wielders attack roll and damage when he
is making a sneak attack with it.

Notice how it doesn't say it "functions as a +4 sword when used for a sneak attack"? So when I sneak attack with this, what is my bonus to hit and damage? Is it +4, or is it +5?

The way that is written, it looks like a +1 sword with an unamed +4 bonus to hit and damaged, which means +5 alltogether.

 

[Cheiromancer]

What source book is this item is found in?

 

[0-hr]

It's in one of those super-rare hard-to-find splatbooks put out just for munchkins and powergamers. I think it's called the "Dungeon Master's Guide" or some such.

 

[Hypersmurf]

What source book is this item is found in?

It's that obscure one with the blue cover, and something about "Core Rulebook II" in the fine print.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It's in one of those super-rare hard-to-find splatbooks...

Snap

-Hyp.

 

[Cheiromancer]

It's in one of those super-rare hard-to-find splatbooks put out just for munchkins and powergamers. I think it's called the "Dungeon Master's Guide" or some such.

I think I've seen that at the FLGS. Is it any good?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I think I've seen that at the FLGS. Is it any good?

It has some weird system for handling PCs with ECL races. You're better off using the one in Savage Species or maybe the FRCS.

It's got a handful of PrCs and one feat - the feat's nice, although some DMs might call it broken if you abuse it. The PrCs are okay... nothing special.

One thing it does have going for it is a whole stack of magic items. A few of them might be a bit munchkin (Boots of Striding and Springing and Bracers of Archery on p211 spring to mind... I hope they errata the price on those boots!), but the DM can just disallow any he doesn't like, so it's cool.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The way that is written, it looks like a +1 sword with an unamed +4 bonus to hit and damaged, which means +5 alltogether.

I'm inclined to agree - bear in mind that it means you don't beat DR X/+2 with it.

The price of a +4 shortsword is 16,310. The price of the Sword of Subtlety is 15,310. 1000gp off, for -3 attack and damage on every roll that isn't a sneak attack doesn't sound right.

So use your GMW'd +5 Sword of Subtlety for +9/+9 on your sneak attacks, and have fun...

-Hyp.

 

[Trine]

Re: Re: Sword of Subtlety

So use your GMW'd +5 Sword of Subtlety for +9/+9 on your sneak attacks, and have fun...

YOINK! Oh my PC's aren't going to like that... Hmm... mid-level gnollish rogue/ranger with a gnoll cleric friend to GMW his swords... oooh...

 

[coyote6]

Re: Re: Re: Sword of Subtlety

YOINK! Oh my PC's aren't going to like that... Hmm... mid-level gnollish rogue/ranger with a gnoll cleric friend to GMW his swords... oooh...

Just remember that after the PCs kill the gnoll, then they'll have his sword(s?) of subtlety (and possibly the GMW idea, too) . . .