Tell me about your useful magic-user
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Gee, I wonder what you're trying to get at between this and your other thread.
munkeywrench
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I want to know. The only pre-2000 d&d I've ever played was a single homebrew one-shot adventure using 2E (core books only).
Jack Colby
First Post
I wonder why it bothers you so much that you posted that same reply in both threads.
GnomeWorks
Adventurer
Couldn't they have been one thread?
I admit that I see where the Professor is going, but I'll try not to ascribe motives here. It does seem a little odd to have two threads, both worded pretty much identically, but with marginally different subjects.
But then, that's been going around a lot, lately.
I admit that I see where the Professor is going, but I'll try not to ascribe motives here. It does seem a little odd to have two threads, both worded pretty much identically, but with marginally different subjects.
But then, that's been going around a lot, lately.
hanasays
First Post
Useful Magic User
Alright, I'll bite
AD&D, 1E. Hopefully, a Druid can be considered a "magic user". Technically, a druid is a subclass of Cleric, and may not be considered a 'magic user' in the same sense as a Wizard. All the same, they cast spells.
I am currently playing a 1st level Druid named Kreuwig Thadon. After he's cast all of his spells, he's still more than a handful with a quarterstaff.
I don't know about Wizards, though. I once nearly lost a Wizard to a kitten. On the other hand, I'm terrible at playing AD&D Wizards.
Alright, I'll bite
AD&D, 1E. Hopefully, a Druid can be considered a "magic user". Technically, a druid is a subclass of Cleric, and may not be considered a 'magic user' in the same sense as a Wizard. All the same, they cast spells.
I am currently playing a 1st level Druid named Kreuwig Thadon. After he's cast all of his spells, he's still more than a handful with a quarterstaff.
I don't know about Wizards, though. I once nearly lost a Wizard to a kitten. On the other hand, I'm terrible at playing AD&D Wizards.
GnomeWorks
Adventurer
tankschmidt
Explorer
I ran a magic-user named Slithelex from 1st level until 9th level. He was a slithering tracker (SR #5) who was polymorphed into a human. Well, mostly polymorphed; the character had long, gross hair and was always covered with a thin layer of slime. He devoted his life to alchemy, hoping to create a potion that would permanently restore him to his previous form. By the end of his career (he retired to pursue his dream), he had 27 hp, had amassed a surprisingly large collection of spells, and had purchased a large building in town to house his alchemical laboratory. In combat he stayed out of melee and relied on quick thinking and -- at higher levels -- on his arsenal of spells. Thanks to a generous DM, however, he wielded a mean two-handed sword if things got a little too rough.
In some ways, it was easier to play a low-level magic-user in the pre-2000 editions. There were just so many little tasks that were not covered by the rules. While the fighters were doing their jobs, the magic-users were often left to coming up with clever strategies and tricks to tip the balance of combat. It was a lot of fun. I recently ran several marathon weekend sessions of a megadungeon campaign, which included a magic-user who reached 2nd level. I think over the course of nearly 20 hours of play he only cast one or two spells. The rest of the time, he was pulling little tricks out of thin air and using them to great effect.
In some ways, it was easier to play a low-level magic-user in the pre-2000 editions. There were just so many little tasks that were not covered by the rules. While the fighters were doing their jobs, the magic-users were often left to coming up with clever strategies and tricks to tip the balance of combat. It was a lot of fun. I recently ran several marathon weekend sessions of a megadungeon campaign, which included a magic-user who reached 2nd level. I think over the course of nearly 20 hours of play he only cast one or two spells. The rest of the time, he was pulling little tricks out of thin air and using them to great effect.
Mercule
Adventurer
In 2e, I played a wizard who focused on the item spell and related transmutations (though he wasn't a specialist). He even created three or four custom, personalized versions of item, one of which was a higher level version that was effectively equivalent to casting permanency along with item. His shrunken items also took the form of a plaque/card with a picture of the item, rather than a cloth mini of the item.
Rarely, if ever did he cast direct damage effects. Instead, he was focused on preparation and unorthodox solutions to problems. He carried around several decks of cards that he'd gathered over time, and always seemed to have the right tool for a job (for clarification, the items were actually tracked, not some sort of kender bag). He had a stack of itemized hot meals that the party loved. The canopied feather beds were nice, too. But things like the battering ram, extra weapons, and (of all things) spare doors were really what won the day.
I would dare say that he was considered more important to the group than the artillery wizard. He was actually an elven wizard/thief, which added more utility, an actual chance to hit with a bow, and some framework for dealing with installing/removing various "nailed down" collectables (like the afforementioned doors).
Rarely, if ever did he cast direct damage effects. Instead, he was focused on preparation and unorthodox solutions to problems. He carried around several decks of cards that he'd gathered over time, and always seemed to have the right tool for a job (for clarification, the items were actually tracked, not some sort of kender bag). He had a stack of itemized hot meals that the party loved. The canopied feather beds were nice, too. But things like the battering ram, extra weapons, and (of all things) spare doors were really what won the day.
I would dare say that he was considered more important to the group than the artillery wizard. He was actually an elven wizard/thief, which added more utility, an actual chance to hit with a bow, and some framework for dealing with installing/removing various "nailed down" collectables (like the afforementioned doors).
Thanks for the stories so far! Keep ’em coming!
For once, I’m going to heed what my metaphorical momma told me nigh two decades ago and avoid the meta-discussion. (At least within this thread.)
Suggestion noted.
For once, I’m going to heed what my metaphorical momma told me nigh two decades ago and avoid the meta-discussion. (At least within this thread.)
Suggestion noted.
Moggthegob
First Post
I once played a gnome illusionist in the first game of D&D I ever played. It was a first edition game that my uncle played through an adventure with me and my cousins when we were like 10 or 11 and had just beaten Final fantasy 4.
So we were 1st level and we were the village heroes' kids. I was the son of a great gnomish magic-user and I was myself an illusionist. The other three were a Dwarven fighter, a halfling rogue, and a human cleric.
We were going after this group of kobolds who were stealing the food from the halfling's farm and I had run out of magic, tricking some other kobolds out of their food and into a bear trap we had set.
So we were fighting another group of kobolds and we were losing and running away. While we were, I remembered that I had set another trap and ran behind it and used my gnomish prestidigitation to make the trap smell like fresh meat and we killed the one chasing us with it.
So we were 1st level and we were the village heroes' kids. I was the son of a great gnomish magic-user and I was myself an illusionist. The other three were a Dwarven fighter, a halfling rogue, and a human cleric.
We were going after this group of kobolds who were stealing the food from the halfling's farm and I had run out of magic, tricking some other kobolds out of their food and into a bear trap we had set.
So we were fighting another group of kobolds and we were losing and running away. While we were, I remembered that I had set another trap and ran behind it and used my gnomish prestidigitation to make the trap smell like fresh meat and we killed the one chasing us with it.
EvilPheemy
First Post
I had a first edition Magic User that I ran from 1st to 12th level (and then moved far out West). At first level, he carried a heavy arsenal of darts, since he could throw 3 per round, it meant that he would hit with at least one the majority of the time, or two if he was lucky, and once in every few combats he'd connect with all 3.
He worked very hard at acquiring magic items that would augment his spellcasting (rings of spell-storing, wands, rods, by the end he had a Staff of Power, a Cloak of the Archmagi (white) and a Ring of Wizardry that doubled his first and second level spells).
All in all I'd say that by the time he passed 5th level, the darts went from a staple of his combat to a last ditch effort.
I think his finest hour was in a war-deciding battle against a Death-Knight, an Evil High Priest, a Magic-Using Vampire and a Lich (among others). For that fight we pulled together nearly everyone who had ever played in the campaign. We were 12 PCs between 10th and 12th level. And it was a whole night of chaotic fun. My MU exhausted every magical resource he had by the end, and helped dispatch the EHP with his Magic Dagger (but to give Credit where Credit is due, our Paladin and the Fighter-Thief did the heavy lifting when the spells started to run out).
His lowest point was trying to take on a Black Dragon with only four party members present. Killed *DEAD* in one round from full hp to -10. The other party members TPKed, and those adventurers not present had to call in all sorts of markers and favors to get us all Resurrected, Wished and Raised back to life (depending on how much of each deceased PC they could recover from the swamp).
He worked very hard at acquiring magic items that would augment his spellcasting (rings of spell-storing, wands, rods, by the end he had a Staff of Power, a Cloak of the Archmagi (white) and a Ring of Wizardry that doubled his first and second level spells).
All in all I'd say that by the time he passed 5th level, the darts went from a staple of his combat to a last ditch effort.
I think his finest hour was in a war-deciding battle against a Death-Knight, an Evil High Priest, a Magic-Using Vampire and a Lich (among others). For that fight we pulled together nearly everyone who had ever played in the campaign. We were 12 PCs between 10th and 12th level. And it was a whole night of chaotic fun. My MU exhausted every magical resource he had by the end, and helped dispatch the EHP with his Magic Dagger (but to give Credit where Credit is due, our Paladin and the Fighter-Thief did the heavy lifting when the spells started to run out).
His lowest point was trying to take on a Black Dragon with only four party members present. Killed *DEAD* in one round from full hp to -10. The other party members TPKed, and those adventurers not present had to call in all sorts of markers and favors to get us all Resurrected, Wished and Raised back to life (depending on how much of each deceased PC they could recover from the swamp).
The thing is that a character, any character in any situation, is only as useful as the DM alows. Given their high intellect, their study of arcane secrets and their unique perspective on things mystical, the magic user should never wont for things to contribute, with or without spells. Combat is hardly the only, or even primary, aspect of D&D, IMO and IME, so a wizard being down on spells means that the player has to use his bain to find ways to contribute and feel "useful".
Really, it comes down to running the game to your players. If the party consists of a magic-user, two thieves and a bard, you're going to run enirely different kinds of adventures than if the pary consists of three fighters and a cleric. Their choices of characters -- race, class and proficiencies or skills -- tells you something about what kind of adventures they want to go on, what sorts of things they find fun and entertaining, and what they expect when they sit down at the table. Ignoring that and making a player feel useless is bad DMing, plain and simple.
One thing that a DM can do is to make sure that encounter sna dscenes within a adventure or session focus on different PCs, particularly encounters and scenes outside of combat. Character class says a lot about a character -- even stuff that isn't necessarily written on a character sheet with a bonus or penalty next to it -- and character race, background and other elements do so, as well. You use that information to build a game that caters to your players and no one ever feels useless or bored.
In a perfect world, even those players whose characters don't get the spotlight in a particular scene or encounter still enjoy themselves: D&D is half spectator sport, being entertained while the DM and a couple players ham it up and/or engage in a dramatic/interesting/funny scene.
Really, it comes down to running the game to your players. If the party consists of a magic-user, two thieves and a bard, you're going to run enirely different kinds of adventures than if the pary consists of three fighters and a cleric. Their choices of characters -- race, class and proficiencies or skills -- tells you something about what kind of adventures they want to go on, what sorts of things they find fun and entertaining, and what they expect when they sit down at the table. Ignoring that and making a player feel useless is bad DMing, plain and simple.
One thing that a DM can do is to make sure that encounter sna dscenes within a adventure or session focus on different PCs, particularly encounters and scenes outside of combat. Character class says a lot about a character -- even stuff that isn't necessarily written on a character sheet with a bonus or penalty next to it -- and character race, background and other elements do so, as well. You use that information to build a game that caters to your players and no one ever feels useless or bored.
In a perfect world, even those players whose characters don't get the spotlight in a particular scene or encounter still enjoy themselves: D&D is half spectator sport, being entertained while the DM and a couple players ham it up and/or engage in a dramatic/interesting/funny scene.
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
Ah, yes, the exciting "torch bearer" role.
Remathilis
Legend
Well, after an initial spurt of wizards when we were really young (15 or so) and didn't play dungeon-heavy D&D, towards the end of 2e all I ever saw were multi-classed fighter/mages and mage/thieves at first level. (In games were we started much higher, we had single classed wizards, but almost none in low-level games) So most of them used bows when they were out of spells...
Philotomy Jurament
First Post
Last night I played a 2nd level magic user in a playtest of the Swords & Wizardry OD&D retro-clone. Our party was:
3rd Level Fighter
2nd Level MU
2nd Level MU
My stats: Str 12 Int 14 Wis 10 Con 11 Dex 7 Cha 8
My spell book: Charm Person, Sleep, Read Magic, Read Languages
(I can prepare 2 spells)
Stats were rolled 3d6. The Fighter's player arranged to taste, while the two MU players took the rolls in order, which is why we ended up with two MUs in such a small party.
Here's Mythmere's (the DM) recap of the session:
I had used both my spells very quickly: the first one to charm one of the pirates that employed us, and another to sleep some miscreant who was watching us escape out of back of building (he fell off the roof and broke his neck -- we took him with us and found 50 shiny gp in his pouch, so someone must have paid him to watch the hidden prisoner we were absconding with...).
After that, all of my contribution for the rest of that day came from interaction and play. Obviously, I continued to exercise influence over the charmed pirate, which was very useful. I assisted in keeping watch and controlling the situation during melees (barring doors, putting out fires, dragging bodies out of sight and into alleys while going through their pockets, etc.), and contributing ideas and such to the game. I felt useful, for what it's worth.
3rd Level Fighter
2nd Level MU
2nd Level MU
My stats: Str 12 Int 14 Wis 10 Con 11 Dex 7 Cha 8
My spell book: Charm Person, Sleep, Read Magic, Read Languages
(I can prepare 2 spells)
Stats were rolled 3d6. The Fighter's player arranged to taste, while the two MU players took the rolls in order, which is why we ended up with two MUs in such a small party.
Here's Mythmere's (the DM) recap of the session:
I had used both my spells very quickly: the first one to charm one of the pirates that employed us, and another to sleep some miscreant who was watching us escape out of back of building (he fell off the roof and broke his neck -- we took him with us and found 50 shiny gp in his pouch, so someone must have paid him to watch the hidden prisoner we were absconding with...).
After that, all of my contribution for the rest of that day came from interaction and play. Obviously, I continued to exercise influence over the charmed pirate, which was very useful. I assisted in keeping watch and controlling the situation during melees (barring doors, putting out fires, dragging bodies out of sight and into alleys while going through their pockets, etc.), and contributing ideas and such to the game. I felt useful, for what it's worth.
tankschmidt
Explorer
I am so jealous right now.
MrGrenadine
Explorer
I think its reasonable to make it clear that some of us are perfectly aware of the baiting tone of both posts.
thedungeondelver
Adventurer
A magic user proficient in the use of darts is never, ever "useless". A steady rain of three of these things into low-level monsters is always handy. Or lobbing flaming oil. Or standing by with a potion of healing, bandages for characters dropped to 0 or worse, and on and on.
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