Tempted to Run Blue Rose backwards

[MoogleEmpMog]

Heck, TSR and WotC have an "objectively evil" meritocracy in the Forgotten Realms for decades now, and I don't see people picketing their offices, waving "Atlas Shrugged" and screaming about the unfair characterization of the Red Wizards.

The lords of Waterdeep strike me as quite Objectivist as well. So the Realms presents pseudo-capitalist meritocracy in both lights.

Anyway, I agree with most of what Nisarg's saying - with his revulsion toward the genre of Blue Rose, with his lauding of Green Ronin's work on it, and with his thoughts on the infamous MAGIC DEER.

As always, he has a... shall we say, unique... way of putting it that does his position perhaps more harm than good.

Nonetheless, the fact that people find it terribly off-putting that someone could be put off by a game based on a genre whose most famous scions probably put off a good half of the reading public is somewhat curious... if not downright off-putting.

 

[Crothian]

Nonetheless, the fact that people find it terribly off-putting that someone could be put off by a game based on a genre whose most famous scions probably put off a good half of the reading public is somewhat curious... if not downright off-putting.

It has more to do with the rudeness of his posts and the sheer lack ofrespect he give anyone who likes the setting that puts me off. But that's just me and I'm new here.

 

[Nisarg]

Holy crap, you mean just like pretty much every other setting out there?

Heck, TSR and WotC have an "objectively evil" meritocracy in the Forgotten Realms for decades now, and I don't see people picketing their offices, waving "Atlas Shrugged" and screaming about the unfair characterization of the Red Wizards.

I don't recall seeing anything in the FR book that forces you to play the setting in such a way that the Red Wizards are either objectively correct or objectively incorrect.. you can play a "red wizard" campaign where the RW are the "good" guys (well, the "right" guys anyways), or a more typical FR campaign where the red wizards are one of the big bads of the setting.

In Aldis, you cannot run a campaign where Aldis is objectively wrong without turning the setting on its head.

I really fail to see what "atlas shrugged" has to do with any of this, unless you meant the protesters are picketing by waving the old Forgotten Realms Atlas and shrugging as they do so, and your statement in fact wasn't a political reference to the Ayn Rand novel.

Nisarg

 

[Skywalker]

In Aldis, you cannot run a campaign where Aldis is objectively wrong without turning the setting on its head.

I agree, to the same extent that you couldn't run a Star Wars campaign from the Darkside POV without turning the setting on its head. However, this has been done many times and to great success.

BR takes a stand on what is good and evil. However, it does so to emulate the romantic fantasy genre in the same way SW does to emulate space opera. This stand adds to the setting, making it closer to the source material and helping generate the right feeling for stories etc.

It is a rare thing to try to do today in RPGs because for some reason we seem less likely to accept one view of good and evil. FR doesn't take the stand as it is written for a different audience and genre.

Ultimately, like SW, you can buy into that stand or not. It has been added because it is a part of the genre that the game is trying to portray. However, there is nothing inherent in the setting to disallow you from turning the setting on its head.

 

[Kesh]

That's not stop. That's harm. A very different connotation.

Anyway, I see that you are not really interested in having a real discourse with people. You just want to argue, and I'm not particularly interested in trying to get you to understand that there is no mandate in Aldis to be tolerant, caring, and what not, except for nobles and other civil servants.

I'm sorry I even bothered to post to this thread.

... and that is why Nisarg got kicked off RPG.net's forums.

 

[Nisarg]

How is this not a "real discourse"? Because I don't end up agreeing with you?

You don't agree with me, does that mean you "only want to argue"?

How often does anyone EVER end up changing their mind on an rpg forum? I have, from time to time, but its pretty damn rare.

It seems you're the ones who don't want real discourse, you want me to conform to your point of view.

Nisarg

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

How is this not a "real discourse"? Because I don't end up agreeing with you?

You don't agree with me, does that mean you "only want to argue"?

How often does anyone EVER end up changing their mind on an rpg forum? I have, from time to time, but its pretty damn rare.

It seems you're the ones who don't want real discourse, you want me to conform to your point of view.

Nisarg

No, I'm not Nisarg.
Simply stating, I was wondering why You couldn't stand Magic Deer ... as a main force in Aldis. And get so aggravated because of their claims that they are better than other people.

And that is what agravvated me in turn, I apologise for being rude because this isn't the way as You reminded me.

So, why You found Magic Deer so antagonistic to Your taste ?

 

[Pielorinho]

Moderator's Notes:

This thread started off pretty interestingly, but the last page or so of it has almost exclusively consisted of posters attacking other posters.

That's a shame; it's going to earn a lock. Please try to keep personal attacks out of your posts, people, no matter how tempting they may be.

Daniel