Tenser's floating Disk

But "follows" is not the same as "moves with". For one to happen, the other must happen first.

This is just going to be one those preference things until the FAQ comes out and states you can't ride on it.
 
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Scratched_back said:
As I knew somebody would say, it's comparable to levitate if allowances are made toride it. Crossing expanses of water for example, are made much easier and less expensive slot-wise.
I don't think so, the disk stays 3' off the ground. The ground is at the bottom of the water...
 

I was all for the riding idea. I started a version of this thread which sparked a firestorm of arguements. I especially liked the vision of the wizard being pulled by his toad familiar on his tensor charriot. All in all I sided with the no riding.

My version of this spell involved casting the spell on my air elemental and then I would ride it and it would follow him.
 

Since Christmas is coming...

Get a reindeer familiar, cast fly and Tenser's on it, then plunk a sleigh down on the disc and take a seat. Voila!

Santa Claus is coming... to town!!!
 



Well apart from some rule interpretation I cannot see any 'reason' why this would not be allowed as a creative use of the spell.

I've not seen anyone come up with a reason as to why this use of the spell is an abuse or emulates a higher level spell or some such.

Personally I think that it would allow the wizard to move around very nearly silently but any action that they wish to take while upon it, such as spell cast, would probably require some form of balance/concerntration check after all if they move from center the disk moves. Speed not a problem. After all one could just move around that fast anyway.
 

Like c47, I too am waiting for a real reason why the caster cannot ride on the disk. I have always seen the caster being able to ride the disk.

Generally, a spell (or use of a spell) is considered "Unbalanced" if it:
A) Can be used to emulate the effects of a higher level spell (alone, or in conjunction with a spell of equal or lower level).
B) Has a property that makes it unstoppable and/or impossible to counter (alone, or combined with a spell of equal or lower level).
C) Deals damage/has ill effects that is not on par with other spells of it's level
D) Provides the user with the ability to circumvent obsticles inappropriate for the spell level.

Note: Use the PHB as a baseline.

This is of course not an official list, just my $0.02. I would love to see additions/revisions. I left out "Because the Sage said so, and because the errata said so" tests because I feel there should be reason behind a ruling. When spell combinations come into play, it is important to analyze which spell is unbalanced.

So, in regards to the above list:
A) Floating disk most closely emulates the Mount spell when riding on it (Because the disk must be 3 ft from the ground). The disk has a much shorter duration, but can carry more weight, and for the most part will move slower than the mount spell, even when using Expeditious Retreat, so I see no problems there.

B & C) The disk does not deal damage, nor when riding it can the caster gain and combat related advantages that cannot be gained from riding a horse. so riding the disk does not apply.

D) This category is always tricky. It has already been brought up that the caster could ride on the disk over water, which could be considered an abusive use of the spell. Thats DM discretion. I see it as only slightly better than a rowboat, and emulating the awe-inspiring power of a wooden rowboat is not performed by any other spell in the PHB.

So unless someone can come up with a good argument against riding on the disk, im all for it.
 

Eldragon said:
I see it as only slightly better than a rowboat, and emulating the awe-inspiring power of a wooden rowboat is not performed by any other spell in the PHB.

How about Water walk?
 

Eldragon said:
D) This category is always tricky. It has already been brought up that the caster could ride on the disk over water, which could be considered an abusive use of the spell. Thats DM discretion. I see it as only slightly better than a rowboat, and emulating the awe-inspiring power of a wooden rowboat is not performed by any other spell in the PHB.
Unless the water is 3' deep or less, I don't think this works. The disk stays 3' above the ground, not 3' above the surface. The ground is at the bottom of the water.

I don't have any problem with spellcasters riding their own disk. It moves half as fast as they can. (A wizard with a 30' speed can double move 60' a round, the disk is limited to 30' a round, unless I'm misunderstanding the spell.)
 
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