The battle at Weathertop– Hobbits, Aragorn and The Nazgul

Chromnos

First Post
The battle at Weathertop– Hobbits, Aragorn and The Nazgul

I must honestly say, I was disappointed by the way the battle at Weathertop was portrayed in the recent movie Fellowship of The Ring. In the movie version, Aragorn engages in a fiery display of melee combat single handedly driving off seven Nazgul including the Witch King who ruled Angmar.

In the book, events were portrayed with much more realism. A realism the movie, in this case, failed to capture.

First Point- The Ring

The Nazgul engaged in their ambush because they were in pursuit of the Ring. Defeat and victory was not their goal, their goal was retrieval of the One Ring.

Second Point- "A Knife in the Dark"

The Nazgul's attack was staged in darkness outside of a ring of light cast by the group's blazing torches. In Tolkien's description, the figures of the Nazgul were murky, almost indiscernible in the shadows. Frodo saw the Witch King and answered his challenge– putting on the Ring that revealed him to the senses of the Nazgul and stepping outside of the protective circle of light.

This is when the Nazgul, like a great white shark who decides to attack prey in deep water, pounced. The Witch-King stabbed Frodo with a Morgul Knife.

Third Point- "Sting and wait"

To follow with my shark analogy, sharks will often bite once and then stand off at a distance, waiting for their prey to bleed out before returning to consume the carcass. The Nazgul's tactics at Weathertop were similar. Once Frodo was stabbed, they withdrew, relying on the Morgul Knife to kill him. For most, the Morgul Knives are fast acting. A poison of the spirit, if you will. From the Nazgul's point of view, all they had to do was sting and wait for the poison (in the form of a knife-tip seeking Frodo's heart) to run its course. The result would be a wraith under their control whom they could command to bring the Ring back to Sauron.

So when Aragorn leapt among them after their attack on Frodo, they had no need to stand and fight. Giving only token resistance, they melted back into the shadows. All they had to do was wait.

Fourth Point- "The Resilience of a Hobbit"

The fly in the ointment for the Nazgul was the resilience of the Hobbit– Frodo. It was unprecidented that someone should RESIST the influences of the Morgul knife for so long. They'd never encountered Hobbits before and had no way of knowing that Frodo would have been capable of the desperate journey to Rivendell or, much less, of facing the Witch-King himself at the fords. But for the resilience of the Hobbit, in addition to the healing powers of Aragorn, the Nazgul would have won.

Fifth Point- The capabilities of Scale

True, Aragorn was very powerful. But he did not yet possess his sword- Anduril (the reforged Narsil) and he was outnumbered by seven of the worst horrors in all of Middle Earth. The Witch King, alone, single handedly destroyed the civilization of the Dunedain. By the capabilities of scale a Nazgul rank somewhat lower than a Balrog. However, being under the direct control of Sauron, they were possessed of a much greater cunning.

A few nights before, Gandalf met with the same group of Nazgul at Weathertop. A Maia, Gandalf possessed might far surpassing that of the mortal Aragorn. Yet, even he, was unable to defeat the Nazgul at Weathertop. He met them, fought briefly and then withdrew to Rivendell.
To assume that Aragorn could succeed where Gandalf could not is a faulty presumption. The flashy combat portrayed in the film was a pretty spectacle but it undermines the dire tone of the story crafted by Tolkien making the Nazgul look like little more than a bunch of ghoulies dressed in black capes– spirit of death wannabes.


-C
 

log in or register to remove this ad

Five Nazgul

On weathertop, Aragorn only fought five Nazgul. The other four appeared during the race to the ford.

Also Sixth Point - "Missed the Heart"

Yes, Frodo was far more durable then the Nazgul had estimated, but he was also incredibaly fortunate. The Witch-King had been aiming for Frodo's heart with the Morgul Blade, and Frodo's sudden resistance deflected the blow to his shoulder. Gandalf clearly tells Frodo that if they had struck his heart, even his hobbit fortitude would not have held out for so long.

You are right, tho. In the movie, after driving off the Nazgul, all you could think were, what a bunch of Ring-wussies!

And let's not even talk about Saruman driving the storms on Caradhas in the movie, when it was clearly Sauron in the book.

dr jekyll
 

I don't mind Saruman being the one responsible for the storm on Caradhas. Even though it was a change (and the film has plenty), it was one that didn't have an ill effect on the story or characters. It didn't make Sauron seem wimpy, and it didn't make Saruman look too powerful. It wasn't out of character and it helped unify the events going on between Saruman and the Fellowship's journey.

However, Chromnos is right about Weathertop. That made the Ringwraiths wimpy. If I was a newcomer to LOTR and first saw the movie, I'd think that all you need to fight off Ringwraiths was a simple torch and decent sword skills. Not saying that Strider has only decent sword skills, we know his skill is very awesome, and its seen in other parts of the film when battling orcs. But during the Weathertop scene he's not doing anything fancy with his sword. Actually, it looks like he's just swinging it wildly to get the wraiths to back off Frodo a bit. It really looks like most of the credit of making the wraiths flee goes to the single simple torch.

I love LOTR:FOTR ....but I admit it has flaws. That's one of them. Lots of my absolute fav movies have many flaws. Thank goodness that the things I like about them far outweigh the negative. Such is the case with LOTR:FOTR.
 

It's actually more likely that Caradhras, the mountain, was responsible for the storm, and not Saruman or Sauron. This is mentioned a few times in that section.

Also, Aragorn may be a mortal, but he is a mighty mortal. A Black Numenorean, which the Witch-king almost certainly was, would have been intimidated by the appearance of what would appear to be one of the men of old, and one of the royal libe, at that. Check the section in the book (when the army of Gondor goes to the gates of Mordor) when the Mouth of Sauron, a Black Numenorean centuries, maybe millennia, old, is confronted by Aragorn. He flinches away. Even Sauron was intimidated when Aragorn openly decalred himself via the palantir.
 

I agree with the general impression that the ringwraiths were ill served by that scene.

In the book they were driven off more by Frodo's prayer than his weapon, which was completely bypassed in the movie.

And yes, the mountain made the storm, not any of the other characters. The landscape itself is a powerful player in the book, and in the movie it's just pretty scenery.

PS
 

I disagree with the opinion that the Ringwraiths were ill served in the film FOTR, concerning the Battle of Weathertop.

- - -

In the book FOTR (and in Tolkien's Letters) it is stated the fear aura of the Ringwraiths is greater at night.
And although they cannot see as mortals see, they can perceive mortals as shadowy shapes.
Quite enough, in the way of perception, for a nice killing sword thrust.

In the book FOTR, Merry and Pippin were overcome completely by the fear aura and flung themselves to the ground, making them instant kills had the Ringwraiths desired to take the time for a quick stab of their blades.
Sam was incapacitated by the fear aura, and unable to effectively fight - not that Sam COULD have effectively fought sword to sword against opponents with thousands of years of battle experience (not to mention that if, by some incredible stroke of luck, he had won, his victory would have killed him as it almost killed Merry and Eowyn.)

As for Aragorn, he leapt out with a flaming brand in each hand ...

Yes, Aragorn was one of the truly mighty among men.
He was a direct descendent of Luthien herself.
In Aragorn's blood flowed the lineage of the Edain, Kings of Numenor, Lords of Adunaidae (I know that's the wrong spelling of that name ...), Kings of Arnor, and Chieftains of the North.
In his blood flowed the lineage of the House of Finwe and the House of Thingol
In his blood flowed the immortal lineage of Melian the Maia.

So yeah, Aragorn was a frightful, overawing sight for the Ringwraiths.
And yeah, he was of great stature, and could put up a good fight - he was a powerful warrior.

Not so frightful and powerful, however, that the Ringwraiths could not have killed him - especially as Aragorn fought alone and without hope of aid.

Set against Aragorn was the Lord of the Ringwraiths himself, with fully four of his fellows.
It was prophesized by no less than Glorfindel himself that no mortal man would slay the Lord of the Ringwraiths - and Aragorn was a mortal man, even if he was mighty among men by any standard one would care to speak of.
Not to mention five to one odds are not good odds, and the Ringwraiths were no slouches at combat - considering they had been in combats for thousands of years.

In other words, Aragorn and Company were all toast on Weathertop.
A classic TPK scenario.

- - -

UNLESS you TRULY take the above to heart, concerning Aragorn.
Unless you truly DO give to Aragorn credit as among the greatest in stature among mortal men (in D&D terms, an epic level character.)

If you take Aragorn's lineage at face value - Aragorn's stature, as it were, and stature was VERY important in Tolkien's world - then it does make sense that Aragorn, alone, could take on the Lord of the Ringwraiths and four of his comrades, and hope to win the battle.

However, you cannot have it both ways.

Either Aragorn was truly of great stature, and could hope to drive off (not kill!) the Ringwraiths, or ...
Aragorn did not have the stature to drive off the Ringwraiths, in which case he and the whole Company were dead.

Either way, it does not do a discredit to the Ringwraiths.
In the first scenario, they were up against a mortal man who could take on SAURON HIMSELF, in a contest of wills, and win (the Palantir battle noted above by Colonel Hardisson.)
In the second scenario ... well, if Tolkien had killed off the whole party (the realistic thing to do in this scenario), he would have had no story any more, would he?

And if Peter Jackson had not resolved the matter, one way or another, it would have come off as hard to swallow.
It is one thing for Tolkien to write: Frodo passed out, and when he woke up the Ringwraiths were gone (to paraphrase.)
It is another for a film to gloss over a battle in progress, skipping forward to the aftermath without showing any resolution.

However, that is all my opinion only.

How would YOU have handled this, the Battle of Weathertop?

I can see several ways in which Peter Jackson could have handled the situation differently.

But I ask: how would you have done it?

Edena_of_Neith
 
Last edited:

Remove ads

Top