The Chump is Stumped out!

DerianCypher said:
How large would a city have to be in order to support some sort of educational institution?

What would the cost of attending an institution be?

DC

Sorry "the chump" ran out of steam (and soy milk... he went through the whole gallon.... :))
Incase you were wanting this information for a campaign you're running, here you go.

Historically medieval education was for the rich or the religious. Aristocracy (nobility, gentry included) would have private tutors, or they would be sent to another noble's household to learn from them (following them around and learning from observing/doing)
Religious medieval learning was mainly for reading, reciting, and copying scriptures. Of course if you were from a aristocratic background and went into religion as a profession, there may be more extensive learning.

There are universities in medieval times.... but most of the time, the students rotated around the professors, who usually travelled from place to place teaching. Very different than what moderns think of when we hear "university"

From MMSWE chapter 3 (I included libraries for you as well)
Libraries
Magical medieval libraries are private libraries where people
can enter for a price. Most libraries are not owned by a single
person, but by groups. Books cannot be taken from the library,
and librarians can always refuse service. Libraries often require
people to use a guide or a librarian to expedite searches, as
well as to prevent theft and damage to the books. These
assistants are, of course, also compensated in coin. Because
of magic, other restrictions are in place in some libraries.
Libraries may require complete disrobing of their patrons.
These patrons receive official library robes and must purchase
their pen and papers from the libraries’ personal stores. Even
stranger measures may ensure the security of the collection.
There are many different types of libraries in magical medieval
societies. Medical, legal, magical, civic, scholastic, and
religious libraries all offer different benefits for its users. Stored
knowledge is the main benefit provided by libraries. This is
especially useful for knowledge checks because having access
to a relevant library adds a circumstance bonus. Libraries also
house small scholarly social groups, allowing them interaction
with other like-minded groups. Libraries are another form of
public display through architecture. Built of stone and
elaborately decorated and carved, a magical medieval library
can be as grand as any cathedral.
Universities
Magical medieval universities are centers of learning, and
attending university is usually a step towards a profession.
Medicine, science, history and law are common professions
that spring from university attendance. Wizards, with their
dedication to research and learning, have a natural propensity
to found universities to further learning. Students pay
professors at the end of class, and their pay is a measure of
the professor’s performance in the classroom. The university
is a community between teachers and their students. Not unlike
craftsmen of the same guild, they drink together, talk together,
socialize together, and celebrate together. Generally, magical
medieval universities are private endeavors of affluent
organizations and citizens.

As for how large of a community is required for such structures, that's a hard question. Generally, at least a small or large city in 3E terms, but I'm tempted to say, maybe even a metropolis. There can be educational institutions in smaller communities (like some monastic orders in the historic medieval era).

As for cost of attending such an institution, I have no idea... so I guess you stumped me too :)

Check out our free preview (http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=693) which will tell you which wards are likely the seat of universities (if you have one in your city) and other useful information about generating medieval urban spaces.

Happy gaming,

suzi
 

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Well, all I can say is this: based on what I've seen in this thread, I need to go check out some PDFs by a certain company who shall remain nameless, but bares more than a passing resemblance to a certain first level wizard spell. :)

The stuff you clipped from the Medieval Europe material looked brilliant, exactly the kind of work I'd like to do, but neither have the time nor the inclination to approach. Kudos, sir, kudos.
 

alsih2o said:
what becomes the order of succession if a siblingless king dies with no heir and all cousins are married in other courts?

This is easy it can go three ways.
1. The nearest by degree cousin, to Elvis, will get get the crown and now is ruler of two kingdoms or ruler in Elvis and siginificate other in the one married into. This will also depend on if Elvis' kingdom allows females to rule or rule until who ever she marries becomes king.
2. The great checking of breeding books. Or start at Elvis. Go to Elvis mom. Any uncles or aunt alive and accept if no. Look at Grandpa Elvis. Check his brothers and sisters and follow the line forward to present day. The one with closest line to King including marriages back into primary or secondary lines gets this.

However one and two were not always followed. Look at Englands war of succession. Or how the Germanic lands would divide the lands by inheritance. A kingdom the size of California could be come lots of kingdoms the size of Rhode Island in two or three generations.
3. The strongest.

There were so many ways of becoming King that there was no hard and fast rule.
Edward 2 ( the wimp in Braveheart) was overthrown by his son and his wife and the nobles said bye bye Eddy.
Then Richard 2 (the fool) was overthrown by henry the 4 on the floor. And I think (you English chaps correct me if I mess up you history) he claim it by some line off of Edward 3 line.

Yo ho and bottle of yum.
Between 1066 to 1776 was there every a hundred year time people where the rulers did not have to fight for control of the throne.
 

credit where credit's due..... :)

WizarDru said:
Well, all I can say is this: based on what I've seen in this thread, I need to go check out some PDFs by a certain company who shall remain nameless, but bares more than a passing resemblance to a certain first level wizard spell. :)

The stuff you clipped from the Medieval Europe material looked brilliant, exactly the kind of work I'd like to do, but neither have the time nor the inclination to approach. Kudos, sir, kudos.

Thanks for the compliment! We worked really hard to make this product useful, elegant, and enjoyable to read.

Note: though jgbrowning has been entertaining the questions and surely knows more on the subject than I (I think it's the 7 years of life he's got on me... gives him a head start to the primary sources and oxford history line..... :)), let it be noted that the fairer sex in the company actually wrote 2/3 of the book and created the worksheets for ease of use (which you can take a look at at www.exp.citymax.com under community support if you haven't had a chance to pick up the PDF)

Just a note mind you ;)

suzi
 

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