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Bargle
Which modules/accesories was Bargle of the Black Eagle Barony featured in?
Which modules/accesories was Bargle of the Black Eagle Barony featured in?
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Re: Bargle
A most likely incomplete and partially incorrect list list:
The original "red box" Basic D&D (not sure, I don't have this)
Gazeteer 1: Grand Duchy of Karameikos
The Poor Wizard's Almanacs & Joshuan's Almanac
a little bit in the Wrath of the Immortals box set, IIRC
The Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure boxset
possibly, the Glantri: Kingdom (sic) of Magic boxset, as I seem to recall him becoming active in that area
I also believe he may be mentioned in module X10: Red Arrow, Black Shield, but that this was retconned to be his descendant when the module's date was pushed to 1200 AC.
johnsemlak said:
A most likely incomplete and partially incorrect list list:
The original "red box" Basic D&D (not sure, I don't have this)
Gazeteer 1: Grand Duchy of Karameikos
The Poor Wizard's Almanacs & Joshuan's Almanac
a little bit in the Wrath of the Immortals box set, IIRC
The Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure boxset
possibly, the Glantri: Kingdom (sic) of Magic boxset, as I seem to recall him becoming active in that area
I also believe he may be mentioned in module X10: Red Arrow, Black Shield, but that this was retconned to be his descendant when the module's date was pushed to 1200 AC.
Tratyn Runewind
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Hello again!
Actually, this wasn't the original "red box" Basic set (with Erol Otus cover art, and Morgan Ironwolf as its sample "iconic" character), but the later "red box" version with the same logo as the Companion and Masters sets.
Karameikos was Bargle's stomping grounds for most of his career. These materials are where you'll find most of the info on him. The Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure boxed set is a relic of the ill-advised attempt to turn Mystara into yet another 2e campaign world, and is a basically a rewrite of GAZ1, updated to reflect post-Wrath of the Immortals continuity, and packaged with an exceedingly lame CD-supported adventure that served as an excuse to vastly overprice the thing.
No, can't seem to find anything about him in there. He's not in the Immortals rulebook section, and none of the adventure parts are set in Karameikos, nor is he mentioned in the campaign timeline.
I think you're thinking of Ludwig. He was supposedly an advisor to Prince Kol at one point after his flight from Karameikos. I don't believe Bargle was there at all (he's avoiding Ludwig these days
). This boxed set, like the one for Karameikos, is a 2e rewrite of the Glantri Gazetteer (GAZ3), with another CD adventure within. It's even worse than the Karameikos one, as Glantri had far more high-level characters who had to be cruelly truncated to fit within 2e's 20-level limit in its core rules.
Yes, there are full stat-blocks for both Bargle and Ludwig given in the module, for the characters' dealings in Karameikos (Bargle is 15th level at the time). Note that the module was re-retconned in Wrath of the Immortals and put back into the current timeline, with the current characters.
Hope that helps, and welcome to the boards, anowack (always nice to see another Mystara fan around the place)!
Actually, this wasn't the original "red box" Basic set (with Erol Otus cover art, and Morgan Ironwolf as its sample "iconic" character), but the later "red box" version with the same logo as the Companion and Masters sets.
Karameikos was Bargle's stomping grounds for most of his career. These materials are where you'll find most of the info on him. The Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure boxed set is a relic of the ill-advised attempt to turn Mystara into yet another 2e campaign world, and is a basically a rewrite of GAZ1, updated to reflect post-Wrath of the Immortals continuity, and packaged with an exceedingly lame CD-supported adventure that served as an excuse to vastly overprice the thing.
No, can't seem to find anything about him in there. He's not in the Immortals rulebook section, and none of the adventure parts are set in Karameikos, nor is he mentioned in the campaign timeline.
I think you're thinking of Ludwig. He was supposedly an advisor to Prince Kol at one point after his flight from Karameikos. I don't believe Bargle was there at all (he's avoiding Ludwig these days
). This boxed set, like the one for Karameikos, is a 2e rewrite of the Glantri Gazetteer (GAZ3), with another CD adventure within. It's even worse than the Karameikos one, as Glantri had far more high-level characters who had to be cruelly truncated to fit within 2e's 20-level limit in its core rules.Yes, there are full stat-blocks for both Bargle and Ludwig given in the module, for the characters' dealings in Karameikos (Bargle is 15th level at the time). Note that the module was re-retconned in Wrath of the Immortals and put back into the current timeline, with the current characters.
Hope that helps, and welcome to the boards, anowack (always nice to see another Mystara fan around the place)!
Tratyn Runewind said:
I stand corrected. All those editions tend to run together, since the only one of the box sets I have is the gold Immortals one.
Hmm. I'd thoguht there would have been something about him and Ludwig in the Karameikos Declares Independance event(s), but I guess I was wrong. Shows I need to re-read my stuff again.
I always actually thought the Glantri one was slightly more worthwhile, if only because Gaz3 is impossible to find. (Note to self: Check and see whether its been released as an ESD)
Hope that helps, and welcome to the boards, anowack (always nice to see another Mystara fan around the place)!
I've actually been lurking around the boards since way back before 3e was released, but I'll accept your welcome in the spirit it was offered.
And it always is nice to meet another Mystara fan. There just aren't enough of us.
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Baba Yaga's got my write in vote for most hideously evil creature in literature but since we're talking classic D&D....
Tiamat was always my personal favourite (I love dragons and a 5-headed dragon/demigoddess is at least 5 times as good!) but in my early days of playing D&D I only ever got to face off with Lolth in Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits (we kicked her around until the Handmaidens showed up ). That was my 'classic' moment of D&D villianry (I guess i am too 'old skool' even for Bargle as I don't remember him at all!). So another vote for Lolth with Tiamat a very close second for me.
Oh and Venger was a great villian trapped in a silly cartoon show.
Tiamat was always my personal favourite (I love dragons and a 5-headed dragon/demigoddess is at least 5 times as good!) but in my early days of playing D&D I only ever got to face off with Lolth in Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits (we kicked her around until the Handmaidens showed up
). That was my 'classic' moment of D&D villianry (I guess i am too 'old skool' even for Bargle as I don't remember him at all!). So another vote for Lolth with Tiamat a very close second for me.Oh and Venger was a great villian trapped in a silly cartoon show.
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Lord Soth. Hands down for me.
Lord Soth. Hands down for me.
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