The exact power of wish

[Thanee]

Why not? If he wants a feat, let him!

If he abuses this power, let him see what that 'dangerous' part means.

Seriously, a feat is not that much, there are several magic items that grant extra feats, so why should Wish not be able to do it. And the 5000 XP are a hefty price!

On a related note, just how good do you have to be to get a +5 inherent bonus to a single stat? 5 Wishes cast successively, that's not easy to get done unless multiple wizards are teaming up here.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Macbrea]

On a related note, just how good do you have to be to get a +5 inherent bonus to a single stat? 5 Wishes cast successively, that's not easy to get done unless multiple wizards are teaming up here.

Bye
Thanee

Any wizard/sorceror with scribe scroll feat can do this in a matter of a few days. Scribe 5 scrolls of wish stack them on top of each other and start reading. This way you can actually, spend 5k exp scribing the scroll. Then a few months later do it again, until you have the 5 scrolls you need.

 

[Thanee]

True, Scribe Scroll would be an easy way to accomplish this.

A couple more XP, but who cares, when you are about to blow 25k anyways...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Mr.Binx]

A good way to get bitch-slapped by your DM:
"I wish this wish will not come true!"

 

[Artoomis]

...if a wish can grant a stat point which a character gets every 4 levels, then a feat which is available every 3 levels isn't too much of a stretch,...

Fine, except that the wish-granted stat-points are different from the level-gained stat points.

The wish-granted points are inherent bonuses - limited to +5 total and the same as those granted by the stat-boosting books.

The comparisons are not fair.

I'd say wishing for a feat would fall into the "dangerous" wish category.

 

[Thanee]

I'd say wishing for a feat would fall into the "dangerous" wish category.

Yep. As long as the wished for feat is in line and the ability is not abused/overused, it's just fine. Otherwise it gets dangerous!

"Bow down and kiss my feet. Wish is wish!" (non-adult version )

Bye
Thanee

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

Put me in the "feels wrong" camp.

The reason is that a feat is often more character defining than a class level. You typically get fewer feats than class levels after all. Rewriting a PC's character defining traits is inherently more hazardous to the game than a few stat points or a medium power magic item of 15k gp value.

I can see it could be okay, but I also see it could be easily abused. It has the same fundamental issues as allowing players to design new items from the formulas in the DMG -- keep your eyes open.

OTOH, a lot of feats make very reasonable moderate priced magic item abilities.

 

[Xeriar]

Fine, except that the wish-granted stat-points are different from the level-gained stat points.

The wish-granted points are inherent bonuses - limited to +5 total and the same as those granted by the stat-boosting books.

The comparisons are not fair.

I'd say wishing for a feat would fall into the "dangerous" wish category.

Wishes for feats I would allow:
Any weapon focus feat
An additional spell slot feat, provided that that spell slot was sacrificed in some manner earlier on (FR Archmage, for example)
Any skill focus feat (at this point, does it matter?)
Any 'cosmopolitan' feat, though my version doesn't have the +2 bonus

Probably some others.

The only -strong- rule I would have is no epic feats. That should be a given, I hope

 

[ruleslawyer]

Wishing for feats

I'd allow wishing for feats, subject only to two restrictions:

1) The character receiving the feat must possess all prerequisites for that feat; and

2) No more than three feats can be gained via wish over the character's entire lifetime.

BTW, the Simbul used one wish to drop a known spell, and a second wish to learn another spell in its place. 10,000 xp to duplicate a slightly more powerful version of the Extra Spell feat is a more than fair price to pay, IMHO.

 

[LordAO]

Technically Wish shouldn't be able to get you more feats or spells, that is WAY beyond the powers of wish listed in the players handbook. It says that wishing for greater affects than those listed is dangerous, and DMs shouldn't let players abuse the power of that spell. The only reason i would allow people to wish for spells is because you can research them for 1000 gp per level of the spell. Since wish can create an item of up to 15000 gp in value i figured that is only fair to allow wizards to forgo the time and cost of the research and pay 5000 XP instead. If you feel that allowing Sorcerers to Wish for new spells is too powerful, then don't allow it. But there is a HUGE difference between a single spell and an entire Feat!! Most characters only get 7 feats by level 20. If any Wizard or Sorcerer can just spend 5000 xp for a feat, as often as they want, when everyone else is forced to wait 3 levels to get one (or else get a bonus feat from a class) that is extremely unfair (to say the least). Besides, using that logic shouldn't Wish be able to bestow unique class abilities as well? Where does it end? I'm really beginning to understand why so many people despise the Wish spell. Most people take it way too far, to the detriment of the entire game. It's only a 9th level spell, and it's only supposed to pull your butt out of the hoop in desperate situations, not make your character the "feat master"!
Oh and P.S. Miracle is not better than Wish. Its only advantage is that it can do some of the more minor effects for free. Miracle can't be used to gain attributes or many of the other things that Wish can do, though it is still an awesome spell, no doubt.