The fate of one 4e PHB

[Timespike]

I wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, an early adopter of 4e, but I consider myself to be a fair and rational human being, so, with employee discount days running, I bought a copy of the 4e PHB at a steep discount, brought it home and flipped through it. Less than 24 hours later, I went back to work, returned it, then drove down the street to a game store that's (sadly) in the process of going out of business and bought a copy of the Dragonlance campaign setting for 50% off.

4e isn't a terrible game, but it can't hold a candle to 3.5.

 

[Piratecat]

Cool. Play the game you like.

 

[the Jester]

Well, while I disagree with your appraisal of the situation- I think 4e rocks the socks off of 3e for what I want out of my game- I totally recognize that everyone wants something different in a game. I love love love 3.5, and I acknowledge its greatness. I wish you well with it.

If you're interested in a slew of homebrewed feats, spells and prestige classes, my Yahoo group (Cydra) has a metric buttload of them from my campaign. I'll take them down eventually, once we're in full on 4e mode, but they'll still be up for a while. Feel free to download them if you want.

 

[Donovan Morningfire]

To each their own. I just played it twice during D&D Gameday today, and while I got clobbered in the first game, second game I did all the clobbering (dwarves are just freakin' brutal in this version!), and probably had more fun with the one-shots today than I've had in most 3e campaigns and one-shots I've played in. Even the guys that got stuck with the cleric (usually one of the most unfun character roles) had a blast, and were able to do their thing (healing) without sacrificing their ability to attack.

I'm staring to think 4e is kinda like a Quentin Tarantino movie... either you're gonna love it or you're gonna hate it, without much in the way of a middle ground.

Then again, I haven't invested ridiculous sums of money on 3e products either, so I'm not quite as attached as some folks might be to the old edition.

 

[Fifth Element]

4e isn't a terrible game, but it can't hold a candle to 3.5.

To each his own, but you should consider playing the game before judging it. I doubt "flipping through" 3.5 would give you much of an impression either.

 

[cangrejoide]

3.5 - The fate of one 3.5 PHB


I wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, an early adopter of 3.5, but I consider myself to be a fair and rational human being, so, with employee discount days running, I bought a copy of the 3.5 PHB at a steep discount, brought it home and flipped through it. Less than 24 hours later, I went back to work, returned it, then logged into Amazon.com and bought a copy of the 4E PHB for 40% off.

3.5 is a terrible game, and it can't hold a candle to 4e.

 

[Plane Sailing]

3.5 - The fate of one 3.5 PHB


I wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, an early adopter of 3.5, but I consider myself to be a fair and rational human being, so, with employee discount days running, I bought a copy of the 3.5 PHB at a steep discount, brought it home and flipped through it. Less than 24 hours later, I went back to work, returned it, then logged into Amazon.com and bought a copy of the 4E PHB for 40% off.

3.5 is a terrible game, and it can't hold a candle to 4e.

Don't mock people for expressing their opinion.

Thanks

 

[Donovan Morningfire]

To each his own, but you should consider playing the game before judging it. I doubt "flipping through" 3.5 would give you much of an impression either.

Well, if one instance I saw was any indicator...

A year and a half ago (well before the 4e announcement), I was in a local Borders checking for the latest volume of the RuroKen manga novels, which happened to be near the RPG section. I saw a couple of young twenty-something lads browsing the books, and they pulled a copy of the 3.5e PHB down and skimmed through it. The commentary was less than polite and not really grandma-friendly, but simply came down to "who'd really want to play something this over-complicated, much less try to run it?" They did wind up picking up a couple of the newer nWoD books, so take their review of the PHB for what you will.

Heck, there are people that swear by the Palladium system instead of at it, to which I credit their tenacity. And over on GleeMax in the Star Wars RPG section, there was a bit of a running joke over one guy that got his knickers in a twist because it listed squares for speed instead of meters. That particular troll seems to have become a munchie for the sarlacc though...

And I'll be honest, I'd largely panned WFRP 2e based on the lousy experience I had with a two-session adventure in the 1e one. Decided I'd give it a whirl when one of the GMs expressed an interested in running it, citing that it had been improved greatly from 1e... and had a blast, and wouldn't mind picking up the reins of my Bretonnian Knight-Errant once more should the occassion present itself. If I'd stuck to what I'd seen flipping through the books, I'd certianly not have anything nice to say about WFRP2e either.

Moral of the Story: Give it a try and play it a couple times before you write it off as a bad job. You might just be surprised...

 

[Dice4Hire]

Everyone ha a right to their opinion, but just flipping through the book does not lead to much of an informed opinion, in my opinion (which may well be uninformed, who knows )

 

[Doug McCrae]

3e's too number heavy for my taste these days. Try playing a druid who specialises in summoning and has a animal companion and a cohort who also specialises in summoning and also has an animal companion. His buddies are a buffing cleric, a buffing bard and a buffing mar... oh no, I've gone cross-eyed.