The funny thing about paladins of wee jas...

[Aaron L]

Doesn't it give an entirely different take on the concept of a paladin?

You still kick the snot out of (non-church-sponsored) undead, you still defeat evil, you still work to promote the values of your deity and make the world a better place...you just do it with a certain red-and-black gothic style. Adapt the deathless template to Sueloise undead created by the Jasidan clergy, and you could even adventure with them!

My friend, you read my mind.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Except in FR, paladins do not have a deity alignment requirement at all. A paladin could freely worship Kord, Farlanghn, or anyone else.

That's not true, as far as I know. Look at Sune's write-up. It states that she has paladins, even though she's CG, and that this is an exception to the usual one-step-rule.

Paladins need that alignment requirement, IMO.

Imagine a Paladin of Talos - why would talos grant him divine grace? That guy defies everything his lord stands for - he upholds good (kindness towards others and all that crap) and order (respecting the law, keeping everything orderly, working together), while Talos pretty much preaches death and destruction.

Or a Paladin of Lolth. She who's often called Chaos Incarnate won't tolerate a lawful divine agent!

 

[Psion]

So many dumb rules, one thread.

All I gotta say is "not in my game, mista!"

 

[Cam Banks]

Except in FR, paladins do not have a deity alignment requirement at all. A paladin could freely worship Kord, Farlanghn, or anyone else.

Paladins in Dragonlance need a patron deity within one step of LG. Thus, you can have paladins of Paladine, Kiri-Jolith, and Majere (all LG)l, Mishakal and Habbakuk (NG), and Shinare (LN).

Cheers,
Cam

 

[pawsplay]

That's not true, as far as I know. Look at Sune's write-up. It states that she has paladins, even though she's CG, and that this is an exception to the usual one-step-rule.

I believe that rule is a setting rule, not a general one. I see no such rule for paladins in the core rules. And even if it were, you could still be a LG paladin of no particular deity and offer prayers to whomever.

 

[IceFractal]

Heck, you could even have a (non-evil) undead cohort. Ghosts and Mummies can specifically be good. Now that would be something to see.

 

[Sejs]

Imagine a Paladin of Talos - why would talos grant him divine grace? That guy defies everything his lord stands for - he upholds good (kindness towards others and all that crap) and order (respecting the law, keeping everything orderly, working together), while Talos pretty much preaches death and destruction.

Or a Paladin of Lolth. She who's often called Chaos Incarnate won't tolerate a lawful divine agent!

Paladin of Slaughter from UA?

Fits both juuuuust fine.

(...and since when is Lolth called Chaos Incarnate? Spiders don't seem particularly chaotic, let alone drow society with its zany house heirarchy. )

 

[Aaron L]

So many dumb rules, one thread.

All I gotta say is "not in my game, mista!"

Why not? I think a Gothic Paladin of Wee Jas is a cool as heck idea. The next game set in Greyhawk I get to play in I'm going to make one.

It's like those churches in eastern Europe decorated with skulls. Those aren't Evil just because they have bones as decoration, are they?

 

[Aus_Snow]

Psion said it best. Neither in my games, sonny jim.

 

[Psion]

Why not? I think a Gothic Paladin of Wee Jas is a cool as heck idea.

Wee Jas, maybe. That's one step, and I use GR Holy Warriors and attendant rules anyways (which would mean that Wee Jas would have LG Holy Warriors, but not LE unholy warriors). In fact, that'd be pretty much equivalent to one of the BotR deities. But due to the holy warrior rules, such holy warriors would actually have abilities that fit the deity.

Paladins without deities (in some sense... it doesn't have to be your Greek/Norse style personified deity), or in particular, a deity that represents a code different from a paladin? Or a cleric with no "deity"? Nosir, not in my game.