D&D 5E (2024) The Great Wizard Extinction.

[FrogReaver]

All viable options. Its not crystal clear what I would puck as a wizard but healing word, cure, command, bless would be obvious ones.

I'm not picking guiding bolt, shield of faith etc.

For a wizard doing magic initiate cleric, I’m never taking bless. Command, healing word or even cure wounds are much higher priorities.

 

[Zardnaar]

For a wizard doing magic initiate cleric, I’m never taking bless. Command, healing word or even cure wounds are much higher priorities.

I probably wouldn't either tbh. Abjurer maybe if I had a support concept. It woukd be something wizards couldnt do exception maybe command (wizards have good wisdom save spells.

Magic Initiate: Druids the hymmn one.

 

[FrogReaver]

Typo. Magic Initiate is an S tier feat. Alert would be another one.

If you want a specific spell if you really really want it you can get it.

Original conversation diverged a bit as shield (on a cleric) started to get compared to bless.

Its a bad example imho. Its an option sure but I don't think a typical cleric would do that.

For example assume a cleric decides to take MI:Wizard. Is shield the right spell to take?

Yes. There’s other strong option as well. Jump as you mentioned. Tasha laughter. I’d say shield is in the top 3 of 2024 PHB option for magic initiate wizard on a cleric.

Then if you look outside the 2024 PHB there’s a few more.

Reverse it a Wizard takes MI: Cleric. I probably wouldn't pick command I might pick bless though.

In all cases ymmv. Cleric+ shield can be done. I don't think its typical. Its a bad comparison.

I would never pick bless over command. Most likely I’m picking a heal spell. But command would be up there. Non concentration control is really good. Makes for a great turn 2 after you’ve already used a level 3 slot on Tasha’s. You can follow up on the enemies you missed with a level 1 or 2 command.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yes. There’s other strong option as well. Jump as you mentioned. Tasha laughter. I’d say shield is in the top 3 of 2024 PHB option for magic initiate wizard on a cleric.

Then if you look outside the 2024 PHB there’s a few more.



I would never pick bless over command. Most likely I’m picking a heal spell. But command would be up there. Non concentration control is really good. Makes for a great turn 2 after you’ve already used a level 3 slot on Tasha’s. You can follow up on the enemies you missed with a level 1 or 2 command.

Yeah im dealing with cleric using comnand+ concentration spell. With Sorcerer/Bard/Warlock help.

More meta party drop a spellcaster for another striker maybe 2.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Original conversation diverged a bit as shield (on a cleric) started to get compared to bless.

I wasn’t “comparing” them, I was citing shield as a reason not to squander 1st level spell slots in trivial castings of Bless. Nor was I thinking of clerics in particular, I see very few of those and the character with Bless I was thinking of was a sorcerer.

 

[Zardnaar]

I wasn’t “comparing” them, I was citing shield as a reason not to squander 1st level spell slots in trivial castings of Bless. Nor was I thinking of clerics in particular, I see very few of those and the character with Bless I was thinking of was a sorcerer.

Divine soul?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Divine soul?

Nope, clockwork. Think the Bless was from magic initiate and shield from being a githzeri.

 

[Zardnaar]

Nope, clockwork. Think the Bless was from magic initiate and shield from being a githzeri.

Gith added it to your spell roster?

I cant remember lol.

Blesss would a a 1/day thing no spell slot required.

On a Sorcerer shield vs bless is different calculation. Can't heal yourself, lower AC, different role.

 

[FrogReaver]

Yeah im dealing with cleric using comnand+ concentration spell. With Sorcerer/Bard/Warlock help.

More meta party drop a spellcaster for another striker maybe 2.

I find having a Druid/Cleric in the party for strong reoccurring aoe damage is strongest.

(I prefer Druid for earlier 2024 moonbeam. Also stacking goodberries with leftover slots at the end of the day is still a thing.)

A couple of primary controllers Bard/Wizard/Sorcerer. I’d recommend the versatility of Wizard here for at least one of these. Being able to summon fey/undead can turn 1 into a quasi striker. Fireball is strong aoe damage. Essentially you can fill in whatever role a particular encounter needs the most, especially if the other caster already controlled most of the important enemies.

If I was only bringing one primary controller I’d probably go sorcerer as he’s a bit better at it. Twin and heighten are great now. The bonus spells are great. Potentially higher ac with dragon sorc is great. Etc.

(The easiest campaign I ever played in was a 2014 one with 2 wizards. Levels 1-7).

Add 1-2 strikers and that is usually my ideal party. Though one can definitely be traded for a 2nd cleric or Druid.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I reversed the functioning of the villain’s monster-making machine.

You had an XP generator machine and destroyed it? Madness!