The hobby and 4e Forked Thread: So...How are Sales of 4E Product?

[xechnao]

If you're talking more about the implied setting and "feel" than the mechanics, then I submit 4E still could not have existed in its present form in 1974. Why? Because OD&D was informed by fantasy popular at the time of its creation. The same can be said of 4E. But much of the fantasy informing 4E did not exist in 1974. So my point remains.

Lets not talk about the type of fantasy but the impact of fantasy. The measure fantasy can connect and grow into you.

 

[Fifth Element]

Lets not talk about the type of fantasy but the impact of fantasy. The measure fantasy can connect and grow into you.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

I have no idea what you mean by this.

I have no idea what he means by anything in this thread.

Are you trying to say that because 4E bears no similarity to 1974 OD&D, this invalidates it as a gateway RPG? That is fairly ridiculous.

 

[xechnao]

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Something along these lines...

without the feeling and spirit of "classic" D&D regarding its fluff (contrary to what we have grown ourselves with in the hobby) and with its focus on crunchy tactical rules wouldn't people see it as a board war/skirmish game? Would it have the same potential to growth?

Dunno how to explain it really well. OD&D was guiding you to different territory than 4e seems to guide you -if you exclude what you take for granted regarding what past editions taught you. And OD&D's territory seems to have more potential to growth IMO.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Lets not talk about the type of fantasy but the impact of fantasy. The measure fantasy can connect and grow into you.

But that has nothing to do with your OP.

I get the feeling this would be a lot easier around a table with some booze but it's like hearing a thousand bees buzzing each with a different idea that it's trying to express.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Something along these lines...



Dunno how to explain it really well. OD&D was guiding you to different territory than 4e seems to guide you -if you exclude what you take for granted regarding what past editions taught you. And OD&D's territory seems to have more potential to growth IMO.

So, basically what you're saying is that because you like OD&D better than 4E, 4E will fail to capture the imagination of future gamer generations?

What a crock.

 

[The Little Raven]

If D&D was to perish as a brand, this does not mean that this space could not be filled by other pen and paper rpgs adequately.

Not necessarily true. If the best-selling giant of the industry goes down, that normally indicates something wrong with the industry as a whole, since the giant outsells all of its competitors combined. You're talking about a game that has held onto 50% of the RPG market share, or more, during it's entire life span.

 

[xechnao]

So, basically what you're saying is that because you like OD&D better than 4E, 4E will fail to capture the imagination of future gamer generations?

What a crock.

No. It is not a question of preference regarding type of fantasy. It is a question regarding the potential of growth and expansion in the gaming style each of them tries to achieve.
OD&D's philosophy is more directly about the "exotic" that fantasy can invoke. 4e is more about a game within a fantasy environment.

I believe the rpg hobby phenomenon has more to do with the first than with the second.

 

[xechnao]

Not necessarily true. If the best-selling giant of the industry goes down, that normally indicates something wrong with the industry as a whole,

Or the conflict of an industrial model and the evolution of the hobby. Perhaps the giant and the hobby have reached a point where they need to take slightly different paths.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

No. It is not a question of preference regarding type of fantasy. It is a question regarding the potential of growth and expansion in the gaming style each of them tries to achieve.
OD&D's philosophy is more directly about the "exotic" that fantasy can invoke. 4e is more about a game within a fantasy environment.

I believe the rpg hobby phenomenon has more to do with the first than with the second.

You contradict yourself here. You say its not a preference or opinion, and then you reply with a preference/opinion.

You seem to believe that the RPG hobby revolves around you and your opinions.