The Immortals Handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Alzrius mate!

U_K, your using of Tsuggothia makes me wonder, what would the IH take on the Cthulhu mythos be? (I'll ask more pointed questions than this admittedly-vague one as per your answers ).

Well the Cthulhu mythos would relate to the Far Realm (esoteric name: The Abyss*, a.k.a. The Seventh Dimension), with such beings akin to pseudonaturals (esoteric name: Zoas).

*Not to be confused with the home of Demons (which is why I use Far Realm instead of Abyss).

I have a few new pseudonaturals in the IH, namely the Cogent and The Krangar, but I'll probably reserve a major discussion on the Pseudonaturals for a second bestiary.

The first bestiary details the Angels, Intelligibles and Umbrals. In the second bestiary I'll detail the Elementarchs, Inevitables and Pseudonaturals. Then you'll have all the major dimensional races covered.

The Cthulhu Trinity (Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath and Yog-Sothoth) would probably be considered sidereals under my auspices.

 

[CRGreathouse]

The Cthulhu Trinity (Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath and Yog-Sothoth) would probably be considered sidereals under my auspices.

Have you seen their d20 stats in WotC's Call of Cthulhu?

 

[Alzrius]

Well the Cthulhu mythos would relate to the Far Realm

That one I sort of guessed at.

Quick sidebar: This is probably a silly question, but have you seen Legends of Avadnu? I ask because it's a great collection fo epic creatures. The Lumina, especially, tickled my fancy, as they're basically the angels of the Far Realm (that's an oversimplification, but it sums them up about right). Finally, celestials that have a definite reason to attack good-aligned PCs!

I have a few new pseudonaturals in the IH, namely the Cogent and The Krangar, but I'll probably reserve a major discussion on the Pseudonaturals for a second bestiary.

Hey now, no fair talking about books that won't be released until after I die.

]The first bestiary details the Angels, Intelligibles and Umbrals. In the second bestiary I'll detail the Elementarchs, Inevitables and Pseudonaturals. Then you'll have all the major dimensional races covered.

I feel like I should know this already, but where are demons and devils in there?

The Cthulhu Trinity (Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath and Yog-Sothoth) would probably be considered sidereals under my auspices.

I second what CRGreathouse said; check out the stats for these three, and the Great Old Ones in the D&D appendix of Call of Cthulhu d20. Here's the web enhancement that has stats for Y'golonac (and shantaks).

Also, if you can get a copy, check out the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana (preferrably the Expanded and Revised Edition (or something like that) which is more inclusive than the first version) since it's probably the single greatest resource book for all things Mythos ever printed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey guys!

Have you seen their d20 stats in WotC's Call of Cthulhu?

Yes I own that book.

That one I sort of guessed at.

Any deity that predates humanoid life is probably a sidereal.

Quick sidebar: This is probably a silly question, but have you seen Legends of Avadnu? I ask because it's a great collection fo epic creatures.

I don't own it (if I could buy pdfs I would) but I have seen the preview. Very nice.

The Lumina, especially, tickled my fancy, as they're basically the angels of the Far Realm (that's an oversimplification, but it sums them up about right). Finally, celestials that have a definite reason to attack good-aligned PCs!

From what I have heard there are a lot of good ideas in that book. I think the Bygone Template is a great idea.

Hey now, no fair talking about books that won't be released until after I die.

Sorry dude.

I feel like I should know this already, but where are demons and devils in there?

Fallen Angels, either directly or indirectly.

I second what CRGreathouse said; check out the stats for these three, and the Great Old Ones in the D&D appendix of Call of Cthulhu d20. Here's the web enhancement that has stats for Y'golonac (and shantaks).

Thanks, though I have already seen all the stats and web enhancement.

The stats didn't really impress me either physically or philosophically, but you can probably see why they are set at that power level.

Also, if you can get a copy, check out the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana (preferrably the Expanded and Revised Edition (or something like that) which is more inclusive than the first version) since it's probably the single greatest resource book for all things Mythos ever printed.

I think Simon once recommended that book to me though I have never encountered it myself.

 

[S'mon]

(I teach UK intellectual property law, not US law, but I do read a lot on US law).

Almost anything can be a trademark; the question is whether use of that word by someone else is an infringing use. Trademarks have to denote the origin of goods or services ("service marks"). EG: if someone makes Balrog tires and I start selling my own tires calling them Balrog tires, I've infringed their mark. If I sell Balrog ice cream I almost certainly haven't infringed their mark.
You can only infringe a trademark under the US Lanham Act by "commercial use" - use denoting the origin of goods or services. UK law is amost identical, you can only infringe a trademark by use "in the course of trade", possibly a slightly narrower definition than "commercial use".

 

[Alzrius]

Fallen Angels, either directly or indirectly.

I'm curious about that. If demons and devils are supposed to be intrinsically evil beings (e.g. formed from Evil), then what does it say that they're all rooted to Goodness? Are there other creatures that you have as being pure in their evil?

I think Simon once recommended that book to me though I have never encountered it myself.

Anyone who is a Mythos fan should do themselves a favor and get that book. It's THAT good.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Merry Xmas all!

I'm curious about that. If demons and devils are supposed to be intrinsically evil beings (e.g. formed from Evil), then what does it say that they're all rooted to Goodness? Are there other creatures that you have as being pure in their evil?

Well, lets see if I can simplify the answer.

Initially there were only good spirits (angels). However when the outer planes (sixth dimension) bled into the other dimensions (the prime material plane in particular introduced the concept of free will) and vice versa that had the dual effect of both corrupting some existing angels, and allowing spirits to be created that were of any alignment.

Anyone who is a Mythos fan should do themselves a favor and get that book. It's THAT good.

If I ever find a copy I'll buy it.

 

[Anabstercorian]

*shovels kittens and puppies and even tadpoles in to the furnace of firey scorching with wild abandon!*

 

[CRGreathouse]

*shovels kittens and puppies and even tadpoles in to the furnace of firey scorching with wild abandon!*

Now don't you worry; I have faith that U_K will have all four of his book out by my birthday. I'm just hoping the Beastiary and Apotheosis are significantly sooner....

 

[devilish]

Now don't you worry; I have faith that U_K will have all four of his book out by my birthday. I'm just hoping the Beastiary and Apotheosis are significantly sooner....

I'm hoping your birthday is Jan 2nd.