The Immortals Handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again, Upper_Krust;

Hiya mate!

OK, just wondering (Currently their is one 3.5e PHB and one DMG between our whole group, but that should eventually change...).

Well from what I have read of both, 3.5 is a definite improvement. So I definitely recommend them to your group.

That's cool. I am curious to see if the entities that I currently have penciled in as Greater Gods (and one Over- God) do not actually fit in somewhere above that. As it sounds from what I have read so far, I think most of my pantheon could be expanded into other categories above "Immortals". The one overgod is neutral and is sort of supposed to be the universe incarnate, and the greater gods personify the other eight alignments (with pure Good, Evil, Law, and Chaos being stronger then the combination alignments. My intermediate gods are kind of like the things in Greek mythology that came right before Titans and right after Chaos (i.e. Gaia, Tartarus, Erebus, Night, Hemera, Phos, et al). Can you tell me where these types of beings fit under your system?

Yes.

Well the 'universe incarnate' figure might be a First One, or beyond.

The 'alignment personifications' could well sit as Old Ones, or First Ones.

Your 'intermediate gods' may well be Elder Ones, or Old Ones.

The final decision is obviously up to you. In the Immortals Handbook I'll better explain all the divine ranks and how to set up your cosmology (no sense going into that now). I also show what I think is the best way to do it then people can just choose the 'cut off point' that best suits their campaign.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U-K!

Hi Dark Wolf matey!

I know it may seem like too little, too late, but the SRD has been updated for epic levels, which is pretty much everything you need, eh?

Absolutely.

For anyone still wondering why there are still delays with the IH (for which I again apologise), have a look at the credits of your d20 books. Note down how many people they have and how it still takes over a year before such books see print. Then add a website into the mix. Then realise that I have set it upon myself to do virtually everything, alone.

Of course the bottom line is that regardless of all that I still should have had the book finished by now. But we all have our crosses to bear I suppose.

And uh...Hi by the way.

Always nice to hear from you mate!

I've been gone for over a month due to a problem with my cable co.

That sucks.

here is a link to the SRD:
SRD 3.5 with epic.

Thanks mate...although obviously I had this downloaded on day one.

So happy birthday!

It ain't quite my birthday yet (in both the literal and metaphorical sense) unfortunately.

 

[Revenge of the Bjorn]

Hey Krust do you still plan on staggering the release of the PDF's? And if so which one will contain the bits on setting up a cosmology?

 

[Melkor Lord Of ALL!]

Upper Krust, do you have some rules about what happens if Deity is stripped of his/her Divine Power? I have an ex-God in my game, Gallandor, former LE Lesser Deity of Tyranny, Nobility and Warfare who was banished by a Council of Greater Powers for breaking Divine Law( he tried to interfere after my players destroyed his Avatar during enormous battle). Gallandor secretly took refuge in Baator, where he made an alliance with Archdevil Azazel, The Corrupter of Souls. Together they plan to overthrow Mephistopheles, master of Azazel. In order to achieve this task, they want to use power of Chainbreaker, a mighty Artifact that is incredibly deadly against LE outsiders, a Sword currently held by one of Player Characters in my game, an epic equivalent of Paladin ,but CG( Gallandor plans to make him fall from The Light and turn into Blackguard and his General, he will begin by destroying all he loves, so lust of revenge would overcome a noble heart).
But back to my question: what would be the status of Gallandor as Ex-Deity, I assume he would be a simple Outsider, but keep all Levels and Hit Dice he had as a Lesser God, right? And as I remember you consider Lords of The Nine to be Lesser Deities Equivalents, so powerful Archdevil like Azazel, and a chief servant of Mephistopheles would be a Demigod equivalent?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Bjorn matey!

Hey Krust do you still plan on staggering the release of the PDF's?

Only by a few weeks (Maybe one month for the Bestiary pdf because there is so much art in that).

And if so which one will contain the bits on setting up a cosmology?

There will be some of that in the first pdf (Apotheosis) but the main bulk will be in the fourth pdf (Chronicle).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Melkor mate!

Upper Krust, do you have some rules about what happens if Deity is stripped of his/her Divine Power?

Yes, although the outcome depends on the circumstances. Typically an Immortal consolidates at Quasi-deity level. A Sidereal consolidates at Greater Deity level.

Example of a consolidated Sidereals could be the Greek Titans for instance.

I have an ex-God in my game, Gallandor, former LE Lesser Deity of Tyranny, Nobility and Warfare who was banished by a Council of Greater Powers for breaking Divine Law (he tried to interfere after my players destroyed his Avatar during enormous battle). Gallandor secretly took refuge in Baator, where he made an alliance with Archdevil Azazel, The Corrupter of Souls. Together they plan to overthrow Mephistopheles, master of Azazel. In order to achieve this task, they want to use power of Chainbreaker, a mighty Artifact that is incredibly deadly against LE outsiders, a Sword currently held by one of Player Characters in my game, an epic equivalent of Paladin ,but CG (Gallandor plans to make him fall from The Light and turn into Blackguard and his General, he will begin by destroying all he loves, so lust of revenge would overcome a noble heart).

Cool!

I take it the sword isn't itself aligned?

But back to my question: what would be the status of Gallandor as Ex-Deity, I assume he would be a simple Outsider, but keep all Levels and Hit Dice he had as a Lesser God, right?

This is tricky to explain. He would keep all his levels but he might not keep all his Hit Dice. He would also retain Quasi-deity power.

My guess (without knowing all the details) is that his Hit Dice would be halved; or reduced to 20; whichever gives him the most.

And as I remember you consider Lords of The Nine to be Lesser Deities Equivalents, so powerful Archdevil like Azazel, and a chief servant of Mephistopheles would be a Demigod equivalent?

Close. The Archdevils would be Demigods with the three greatest Archdevils being Lesser Gods. I don't really want to explain this but there is a very simple and cool reason why - you'll really like how I explain the progression.

 

[Melkor Lord Of ALL!]

Actually it is an intelligent weapon, forged by Greater Deity of CG Alignment for his Divine Champions! But Azazel and Gallandor believe that if they manage to turn its owner into a Blackguard, it will affect his link with The Artifact and it will also become corrupted or they would be able to twist it with evil rituals, but they might be walking dangerous ground, consequences will be quite interesting nevertheless... I am confident that some of your new magic rules would allow for a ritual that reverses an alignment of mighty artifact, wouldn`t they?

 

[Chosen01]

Hi all, check out Kerrick's Legendary Spell Creation Rules

 

[Kavon]

Hmm... Are they working on that site right now?

I'm getting a 'Not Found', and when I go to http://greyhawkonline.com/ it doesn't have an index.html file. o__o

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Kavon mate!

Hmm... Are they working on that site right now?

I'm getting a 'Not Found', and when I go to http://greyhawkonline.com/ it doesn't have an index.html file. o__o

You have to copy and paste the link to get it to work.