The Immortals Handbook

[RandallFlagg]

Hey UK!

Im completely lost with all this talk of infinity, so I'll just skip that discussion and go straight into my question(s)...

Awhile back (on the WotC forums I believe), we talked about a vampire (and a "progenitor" vampire I believe...) that you hadnt decided whether or not was going in your book. I was just curious as to whether or not you've decided yet?

Also, I was wondering if you could help me with something, and what it sounds like it would be in the IH. Im developing a deity who's profolio is Time, Fate, Dreams, and either Water or Life (yeah he's different ). What do you think he would be according to your book? A Greater God? A Old One? High One? Higher than that? Lower? Also, what classes do you think best suits him (im a flavor heavy person).

And finally, I was wondering your theory on pantheon threating monsters; like where do they come from? Is there a race? How come the God's dont band together and destroy something that theoretically threatens them all? I realize that all this is extremely campaign specific, but im just curious about your POV.

Peace!

 

[CRGreathouse]

HDon't worry dude, that's why I have a crystal ball. That "D" thing that I had in mind is more likely associated with the sideral level anyway.

I have to ask, out of curiosity, what this word is. Of course, if you don't want to share that's fine -- and if you don't want the Krust to see it, you could always email me (address in profile).

To the extent I have played a role in getting anyone 'off-track' I apologize. I should remember that most of the posters drawn to this discussion are of the "lawful" (good or neutral) variety.

NG here (with slight CG tendencies), but I often masquarade as LG.

Sweet - I'm wondering if 'transcending alignment' is a prerequisitie to ascending to eternal status.

Interestingly, I wrote a Transcendant prestige class that had, in essence, a lesser version of the same...

U_K, is the lack of alignment neccesary at that level, or could it be reintroduced if desired? (I'm somewhat unsure of my current plans as I've been holding off on designing the upper-tier gods until I know more of the IH.)

Also, are you releasing the IH PDFs like WotC (some time apart, in their case 4-5 weeks -- hopefully less in your case) released the 3.0 core books, or all at once? I can certainly see the appeal of spreading them out, since it will lessen the impact on the consumers' pocketbooks, and should let you get the first PDF out a bit sooner, since you can hold off on the last bits of work for the remaining 3 PDFs until after the first is released. I'm sure there are difficulties with that method, too, of course.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Krust!

Hiya mate!

Don't worry dude, that's why I have a crystal ball. That "D" thing that I had in mind is more likely associated with the sideral level anyway.

Your reaching.

Sweet - I'm wondering if 'transcending alignment' is a prerequisitie to ascending to eternal status.

Only indirectly.

Somehow I was under the impression that the Time Lords were the last link in the chain before the supernals.

Well all Eternals are technically Time Lords...just some are better than others.

To the extent I have played a role in getting anyone 'off-track' I apologize.

Don't be silly, no apologies necessary, we are all friends here.

I should remember that most of the posters drawn to this discussion are of the "lawful" (good or neutral) variety.

Lawful Good with neutral tendencies.

 

[historian]

Hello CRGreathouse -

I have to ask, out of curiosity, what this word is. Of course, if you don't want to share that's fine -- and if you don't want the Krust to see it, you could always email me (address in profile).

I'll e-mail you the "D" word in a few minutes. I don't have any issues sharing it, nor do I think Krust would mind my posting it here, but it's probably 'best practice' to share it with you privately.

NG here (with slight CG tendencies), but I often masquarade as LG.

FWIW - My behavior oscillates between NG and true neutral. My utilitarian side keeps me from a cut and dry NG alignment rating.

When I played Planescape my alignnment would typically emerge as chaotic good - but that's not me.

Interestingly, I wrote a Transcendant prestige class that had, in essence, a lesser version of the same...

That's a cool idea. I could envision mundane creatures eschewing immortal or sidereal worship in the event they became aware of the eternals or better. Perhaps this could be a precondition for eligibility of your prestige class? Going beyond alignment seems like a tall order for anything that's remotely human (maybe Kurtz from Apocalyspe Now would qualify?) as the ethos would seem to drag one "down" if you will.

I would love to see th outline for your idea.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey UK!

Hi RandallFlagg mate!

Im completely lost with all this talk of infinity, so I'll just skip that discussion and go straight into my question(s)...

Awhile back (on the WotC forums I believe), we talked about a vampire (and a "progenitor" vampire I believe...) that you hadnt decided whether or not was going in your book. I was just curious as to whether or not you've decided yet?

To be honest I haven't. I have been concentrating on the first pdf of late.

Though I occasionally do go over the monsters, and recently decided on a monster example for my Devastation template. So you'll all get to see a Devastation Human (aka Brobdingnagian) in the bestiary.

Also, I was wondering if you could help me with something, and what it sounds like it would be in the IH. Im developing a deity who's profolio is Time, Fate, Dreams, and either Water or Life (yeah he's different ). What do you think he would be according to your book? A Greater God? A Old One? High One? Higher than that? Lower?

He could be any measure of power. Though since deities only get two Portfolios initially hes going to need to be a Lesser God or better to have gained those extra Portfolios.

Also, what classes do you think best suits him (im a flavor heavy person).

Primarily Bard with either Druid (Water) or Cleric (Life) as secondary levels.

And finally, I was wondering your theory on pantheon threating monsters; like where do they come from? Is there a race? How come the God's dont band together and destroy something that theoretically threatens them all? I realize that all this is extremely campaign specific, but im just curious about your POV.

Well, think of the cosmic balance. Pantheons evolve. The stronger the pantheon, the more enemies its going to have made over the years. It is this greater friction that lets the Pantheon exceed its peers. So if they were to kill off the monsters that would lead to stagnation.

Primarily this is a tool to help balance pantheons, but I think it makes sense from a philosophical point of view.

Peace!

Indeed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya CRGreathous mate!

I have to ask, out of curiosity, what this word is. Of course, if you don't want to share that's fine -- and if you don't want the Krust to see it, you could always email me (address in profile).

Theres no big mystery, I believe historian is refering to Demiurge. Which I no longer use as a divine status.

I have been considering making it an Immortal Prestige Class.

NG here (with slight CG tendencies), but I often masquarade as LG.

So you are a Rogue then.

Interestingly, I wrote a Transcendant prestige class that had, in essence, a lesser version of the same...

You should post the link for people.

U_K, is the lack of alignment neccesary at that level, or could it be reintroduced if desired? (I'm somewhat unsure of my current plans as I've been holding off on designing the upper-tier gods until I know more of the IH.)

Its not so much that you have no alignment, more a case where you are beyond alignment...if that makes any sense.

Also, are you releasing the IH PDFs like WotC (some time apart, in their case 4-5 weeks -- hopefully less in your case) released the 3.0 core books, or all at once? I can certainly see the appeal of spreading them out, since it will lessen the impact on the consumers' pocketbooks, and should let you get the first PDF out a bit sooner, since you can hold off on the last bits of work for the remaining 3 PDFs until after the first is released. I'm sure there are difficulties with that method, too, of course.

Well I am tentative about how long it will take to finish off the various peices but I think the 2nd (Grimoire) pdf will take 3-4 weeks, the 3rd (Bestiary) maybe 4-5 weeks (because of the greater amount of art) and the 4th (Chronicle) about 3-4 weeks.

 

[historian]

Hiya mate!

Evening Krust!

You're reaching

It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.

Well all Eternals are technically Time Lords...just some are better than others.

Cryptic . . . .

Don't be silly, no apologies necessary, we are all friends here.

The contingent apology was consistent with my neutral good persona

Lawful Good with neutral tendencies.

I knew that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Knight Otu]

Speaking of alignments, I guess I'd be True Neutral, leaning towards Law, and a few bursts of Chaos (this is when I have a flurry of posts with my Ashardalon account or post very much in the Hivemind. )

Though I occasionally do go over the monsters, and recently decided on a monster example for my Devastation template. So you'll all get to see a Devastation Human (aka Brobdingnagian) in the bestiary.

Wonder what powers a devestation creature would have? Something like the Nullification power the dragon I posted on the other thread has? Or are they more akin to the devestation vermin in the ELH?

Primarily Bard with either Druid (Water) or Cleric (Life) as secondary levels.

Considering I have been known to take exactly the opposite route you'd take, I'm surprised that Druid or Cleric would have been my guess for the first class.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Knight Otu (and historian)!

Speaking of alignments, I guess I'd be True Neutral, leaning towards Law, and a few bursts of Chaos (this is when I have a flurry of posts with my Ashardalon account or post very much in the Hivemind. )

He he!

Wonder what powers a devestation creature would have? Something like the Nullification power the dragon I posted on the other thread has? Or are they more akin to the devestation vermin in the ELH?

They are indeed based on the Devastation Vermin in the ELH. So you can imagine beings larger than insects scaled up.

Considering I have been known to take exactly the opposite route you'd take, I'm surprised that Druid or Cleric would have been my guess for the first class.

Great minds think alike...in this instance anyway.

 

[Knight Otu]

They are indeed based on the Devastation Vermin in the ELH. So you can imagine beings larger than insects scaled up.

Using the same scale?

*Tries imagining Colossal+N*

*Starts to see Planets*

Oops.