The Immortals Handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Krust!

Hiya mate!

Thanks, and this might be a bit long but here goes (my apologies in advance for any misunderstandings).

None needed dude.

The default base unarmed damage for a medium size creature with a strength of 10 would 1d6.

I've been looking over the Monster Manual and technically unarmed medium damage should probably be 1d4, although for dragons its 1d6.

Every +15 in strength equals a doubling over the prior base damage. Ex (for a medium sized creature):

I've been thinking about this too and it should be a virtual size category increase every +20 points of strength...not +15.

Str.

10 = 1d6
25 = 2d6
40 = 4d6
55 = 8d6
70 = 16d6
85 = 32d6
100 = 64d6
115 = 128d6
130 = 256d6
145 = 512d6

And so forth?

No. It would be x1.5, x2, x3, x4 etc.

Also, my rough understanding is that an increase in damage die (1d6 becomes 1d8).

Exactly.

That's the limit of my understanding, basically.

I'll have it all explained in the Bestiary so you won't need to understand anything - just look at the tables.

Indeed I do.

I was curious as to the formula that you use to determine the Supreme Being's CR based on the number of dimensions. I was wondering whether the relationship between the number of dimensions and the Supreme Being's CR was linear or whether it followed another progression.

Its tricky to explain because Omnific Abilities are technically multipliers.

BTW -- did anyone ever correctly guess one of the Time Lords from real world mythology?

Nope.

Thanks dude.

Your welcome mate.

 

[Zoatebix]

I just don't understand the rationale behind his figures? It seems arbitrary rather than logical...?

...If theres no logic behind his method then I cannot see any benefit in using it.

Hey man, I said Scott's was "similar" to your solution - not that it was any good I just thought you would like to know that someone had an idea similar to yours, even if the effort to make a robust solution was not expended

The values in Deeds Not Words are consistant across the super-powers system Mr Lynch presents but don't attempt anything like modeling physical phenomena. They keep the cost of super-strength (and the damage bonus for having ridiculous STR) equal to the cost of super-toughness (and the damage reduction DNW grants characters with high constitution). The DR granted by high-con negates the super-damage for high-str, and "ballance," such as it is, is preserved.


As much as I liked your system of adjectives, I think that for utilitiy's sake that using "templated" adjectives is the way to go.

Unless... hmmmm. At what point do creatures get big enough to start using terms like "city-sized," "region-sized," "continent-sized," "moon-like," "terrestrial," "gas planet-sized," "dwarf star-like," etc.?

Too much beyond that, though, and recognizable bodies tend to go up in orders of magnitude...

Okay - I'm of two minds. "Templated" sizes are easy to use, but so are size-categories named after recognizable objects. Is there a happy medium?
-George

 

[Fieari]

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Colossal
Immense
Titanic
Enormous
Humongous
Prodigious
Elephantine

But its a forlorn task since you run out of adjectives.

What I was thinking was to use the Macrobe (Devastation Creature) Template as a guide.

So you would have:

...
Colossal
Titanic (replacing Immense, just because I like Titanic more )
Macro-Fine
Macro-Diminutive
Macro-Tiny
Macro-Small
Macro-Medium
Macro-Large
Macro-Huge
Macro-Gargantuan
Macro-Colossal
Macro-Titanic

One thing to consider though is that there is no specific creature in the bestiary technically bigger than Elephantine (Macro-Medium) anyway.

Although obviously if you added the Macrobe Template to an Ogre (for instance) it would be bigger than Elephantine/Macro-Medium.

Any thoughts?

Since you've mentioned this "macrobe" template, having a simple method for applying that template looks to be a good idea to me. On the other hand, I like Immense as a descriptor, and would love to see it kept. I'm also a big fan of Titanic as well, just as you are. Any possibility of tossing Immense back into the mix?

I was never really fond of Enormous, Humongous, Prodigious, and Elephantine... simply because to my ear, they don't actually SOUND larger than, say, Titanic. Well, Prodigious maybe, but Elephantine certain conjures up images of a mere elephant, which is tiny compared to the things you're describing here. Enormous sounds like it should go under Colossal even, and I'd place Humungous lower than Immense. The names just don't sound as... as... epic as "Titanic".

 

[CRGreathouse]

I was never really fond of Enormous, Humongous, Prodigious, and Elephantine... simply because to my ear, they don't actually SOUND larger than, say, Titanic. Well, Prodigious maybe, but Elephantine certain conjures up images of a mere elephant, which is tiny compared to the things you're describing here. Enormous sounds like it should go under Colossal even, and I'd place Humungous lower than Immense. The names just don't sound as... as... epic as "Titanic".

I basically agree here. I guess I could see Prodigious, but Enormous, Humongous, and Elephantine sound smaller -- in some cases much smaller -- than Colossal.

 

[Zoatebix]

I basically agree here. I guess I could see Prodigious, but Enormous, Humongous, and Elephantine sound smaller -- in some cases much smaller -- than Colossal.

I'm in agreement, too. Some "epic"-sized adjectives are good, titanic, immense, and prodigious are my favorites in order or preference, and I wouldn't mind if prodigious had to go. After that, it's either templated sizes or descriptive adjectives if possible.

 

[Baronovan]

My two cents, for what they're worth:

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Colossal
Immense
Prodigious
Enormous
Humongous
Giganitc
Titanic*

*should be the top, no matter what, IMO--such a cool word

I don't like "elephantine" at all--it describes (to my ear) an elephant, which is at best what? Huge? Gargantuan? I really just don't want to see a simple ++ system, or attaching prefixes or suffixes to sizes to make new sizes. If a creature is still bigger than the biggest listing on the tables, it's time for a template that handles it on a case-by-case basis.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi guys!

Thanks for all the feedback.

I have decided to run with the Macro scaling system with Titanic just after Colossal. It would have been nice to have a fresh descriptor with each new size category but sooner or later you run out, so I think in the long run its better to put such a system in place where it makes the most sense.

This makes Titanic (replacing Colossal+) the biggest size before adopting the Macro scale.

Essentially the Macro scale is 1000 times bigger (+10 size categories).

After that you could have the Mega scale (1,000,000 times bigger), Giga scale etc.

Also you can effectively stack the Macrobe Template with itself, twice for Mega, three times for Giga etc. Though most people won't need to do that the option is still there.

I have also tweaked the Strength bonus relevant for each size category (both for logic and simplicity) and the typical base damage figures also get changed with d10s replacing d6s & d8s to simplify things.

eg. 10d10 replaces 16d6. So that when you scale things beyond that point all you have to do is roll 1/10th the dice and multiply by 10 if you want.

 

[Zoatebix]

Yay yay yay! Orders of magnitudey goodness! I am now officially a fan of U_K's Macro(Kilo?) Mega, and Giga size scales!
-George

 

[Zoatebix]

You all have to check this stuff out: http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103168

Wow. I know this doesn't have much to do with immortal gaming (DanMcS mentions that "15th level fighters are pretty much demigods" or something along those lines, though!), but I really think we have an intriguing combat variant on our hands.

 

[CRGreathouse]

You all have to check this stuff out: http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103168

Wow. I know this doesn't have much to do with immortal gaming (DanMcS mentions that "15th level fighters are pretty much demigods" or something along those lines, though!), but I really think we have an intriguing combat variant on our hands.

Frankly it's the antethesis of the way I play the game. Weapons aren't 'special effects', they're integral to the way one fights. It's much easier to fight with a masterwork longsword than a ladder....