The Immortals Handbook

[weiknarf]

Hey Krust

Did you ever read the end of the X-Man series (issues 63 - 75; written by Warren Ellis and Steven Grant)?

If so, I was wondering how you would rate X-Man and Qabiri.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Krust

Hi weiknarf mate!

Did you ever read the end of the X-Man series (issues 63 - 75; written by Warren Ellis and Steven Grant)?

I have never read any X-men affiliated title (with the exception of a few stories featuring Juggernaut).

If so, I was wondering how you would rate X-Man and Qabiri.

I had a look at X-mans stats here:

http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/nategrey.htm

He seems quite powerful while augmenting himself and could presumably boost himslf up to about Lesser Power for a few rounds at least.

 

[historian]

Hey Krust.

Understandably thats the range (sort of Hero-deity to Lesser Deity) where I can see most people ending up playing. But if people don't know about challenges beyond CR 100, then they won't have any impetus to 'have at them'. In the same way that most people didn't try gaming over 20th-level until after the Epic Level Handbook came out.

Indeed, which is why thats the area I concentrate upon, but I won't exclusively pandour to one area because I want people to see that there are no limits.

Excellent. Despite limited playability (arguably) at higher levels (owing mostly to difficulty creating a storyline), one of the most appealing aspects of the IH is that it aspires to be complete. A first (as far as I can tell) in the history of RPG literature.

I definitely like having IG Thanos at a Time Lord level of power as well (assuming he was fully "in tune" with the Gems). Referring back to the background on the gems, the being who was the unified "gem" was basically the foundation of the universe, which I'm guessing is akin to a Demiurge.

Nevertheless, after hearing what a Time Lord is, I would have to think that IG Thanos is on the lower end of the power scale. Based on the description, I'm guessing that there are Time Lords that could destroy a universe outright. While IG Thanos did wipe out the life in half a galaxy, he didn't demonstrate anything quite like universe-levelling capability.

Taking this further, I have no idea who or what would qualify as a High Lord from real world mythology. I could name two potential candidates from the Marvel Universe (of course), one of which I think is better characterized as an "avatar" of a Time Lord with a few MAJOR powers and immunities. The other I'm pretty sure is a High Lord, but you could argue he's anything from a Supreme (doubtful IMO) to a Time Lord.

Anyway my head's still spinning.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Krust.

Hi historian mate, apologies for the slow response, been busy.

Excellent. Despite limited playability (arguably) at higher levels (owing mostly to difficulty creating a storyline), one of the most appealing aspects of the IH is that it aspires to be complete. A first (as far as I can tell) in the history of RPG literature.

Well I don't know if I would say complete, but certainly I would like to think it covers the full spectrum of possibilities.

I definitely like having IG Thanos at a Time Lord level of power as well (assuming he was fully "in tune" with the Gems). Referring back to the background on the gems, the being who was the unified "gem" was basically the foundation of the universe, which I'm guessing is akin to a Demiurge.

That would be the closest parallel, yes.

Nevertheless, after hearing what a Time Lord is, I would have to think that IG Thanos is on the lower end of the power scale. Based on the description, I'm guessing that there are Time Lords that could destroy a universe outright.

Within a low physical factor set up, most probably.

While IG Thanos did wipe out the life in half a galaxy, he didn't demonstrate anything quite like universe-levelling capability.

Hard to say. His power was on a universal level but connected to that one universe.

Taking this further, I have no idea who or what would qualify as a High Lord from real world mythology. I could name two potential candidates from the Marvel Universe (of course),

...well I think there is one obvious one isn't there.

one of which I think is better characterized as an "avatar" of a Time Lord with a few MAJOR powers and immunities. The other I'm pretty sure is a High Lord, but you could argue he's anything from a Supreme (doubtful IMO) to a Time Lord.

High Lord, definately.

Anyway my head's still spinning.

I hope in a good way.

 

[historian]

Hey Krust.

Hi historian mate, apologies for the slow response, been busy.

Please don't worry about it. You're too good to me as it is.

.well I think there is one obvious one that isn't there.

TOAA has been pretty clearly cast as a Supernal, but it's probably at least a High Lord in any event (not sure about a Supreme). The true beyonders might qualify?

High Lord, definately.

HOU Thanos or LT? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

I'm somewhat sceptical of LT's status, he doesn't fit the profile of a First One, but doesn't seem to act with the autonomy that (IMO) is befitting of something like a High Lord. He did destroy a universe and "deactivate" the IGs though. I'd guess he's a lower end Time Lord.

Oh yeah, and the fact that my head is spinning is a positive.

 

[historian]

Oh yeah . . . one more question.

What is the difference between a multiverse and a megaverse?

 

[Alzrius]

I'm somewhat sceptical of LT's status, he doesn't fit the profile of a First One, but doesn't seem to act with the autonomy that (IMO) is befitting of something like a High Lord. He did destroy a universe and "deactivate" the IGs though. I'd guess he's a lower end Time Lord.

Someone told me that Owen Reese (aka Molecule Man) was actually acknowldge by the LT to be more powerful. I have a hard time believing that though...can anyone confirm or deny?

Also, U_K, where would Celestials (the ones from the Marvel Universe) fall on your power scale? It couldn't be too terribly high since Galactus outranks them, and we've seen plenty of beings who could squash Galactus in turn.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Krust.

Hiya mate!

Please don't worry about it. You're too good to me as it is.

TOAA has been pretty clearly cast as a Supernal,

You've totally lost me. TOAA?

but it's probably at least a High Lord in any event (not sure about a Supreme). The true beyonders might qualify?

We don't really know enough about the True Beyonders to comment.

HOU Thanos or LT? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

I'm somewhat sceptical of LT's status, he doesn't fit the profile of a First One, but doesn't seem to act with the autonomy that (IMO) is befitting of something like a High Lord. He did destroy a universe and "deactivate" the IGs though. I'd guess he's a lower end Time Lord.

HOU Thanos = Supreme Being
Living Tribunal = High Lord

Oh yeah, and the fact that my head is spinning is a positive.

Glad to hear its not exorcist related.

Oh yeah . . . one more question.

What is the difference between a multiverse and a megaverse?

Have I used the term megaverse somewhere?

I don't think there is a definitive stance on terminology herein. But if the planes are universes then a single 'reality' (comprising various all the standard planes) would be a multiverse.

Alternate 'realities' would exist in a metaverse.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Someone told me that Owen Reese (aka Molecule Man) was actually acknowldge by the LT to be more powerful. I have a hard time believing that though...can anyone confirm or deny?

Well that was probably before the Beyonder was retconned to the Cosmic Cube. Remember initially the Beyonders power was seemingly infinite, and the Molecule Man had a portion of that power. At that juncture Molecule Man was #2 in the Marvel Universe.

Also, U_K, where would Celestials (the ones from the Marvel Universe) fall on your power scale?

Old Ones.

It couldn't be too terribly high since Galactus outranks them, and we've seen plenty of beings who could squash Galactus in turn.

Well I wouldn't say theres that many.

Galactus would be an Old One as well.

 

[historian]

Hey Krust.

You've totally lost me. TOAA?

This is the being to whom LT has alluded to as being his master. There is also a Celestial bearing that title but it was not the being I meant to refer to.

We don't really know enough about the True Beyonders to comment.

I would agree (which makes them more interesting until they are unveiled at some point -- if ever). But the True Beyonders and TOAA are the only beings that I would put (and I'm not the authority obviously) clearly into the "Time Lord or better" category at this point.

Of course, there is also the Beyonder (whose origin is similar to that of the IGs). I just can't get over the fact that Kubik easily (and I mean easily) defeated him. Maybe Kubik and the Shaper are Time Lords?

HOU Thanos = Supreme Being
Living Tribunal = High Lord

Works for me.

Have I used the term megaverse somewhere?

Cheeky -- it's metaverse not megaverse.

I don't think there is a definitive stance on terminology herein. But if the planes are universes then a single 'reality' (comprising various all the standard planes) would be a multiverse.

Alternate 'realities' would exist in a metaverse.

Thanks dude.