The Immortals Handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

I'll probably get lynched for saying this,

I appreciate all constructive criticism mate.

but I think it's a bad idea.

WHAT!? Are you crazy - somebody lynch him!

Rushed releases never, in my experience, have favorable results.

Well, firstly, its not really rushed, simply that I'll have 80 pages finished before I'll have 160 pages finished (even though work on the second half of the Bestiary is partially completed).

There's always something that you'd have done differently, or included, etc. While I feel the waiting as much as anyone here, I'd rather have a truly great product later than one that's just good now.

Thats one reason why this 'preview' will only be limited release from my website, rather than an 'official' release.

I don't own The Book of Fiends, but I do have my copy of Armies of the Abyss handy. According to the designation of OGC on page 1, the "name, statistics, and obedience of each demon prince in Chapter Three" are OGC. Note that the listed names there are Abaddon, Abraxus, Anarazel, Astaroth, Azazel, Azidahaka, Behemoth, Decarabia, Eligor, Flauros, Gamigin, Haagenti, Ipos, Marbas, Nocticula, Raum, Sabnach, Seere, Shax, Socothbenoth, and Vepar. I don't know if more were added or not in The Book of Fiends.

None of those are the alternate names however. I believe the alternate names are in a table governing portfolios. They will be accompanied by Demogorgon and Orcus, since they can be used by anyone.

To be succinct, you can't mention Thunder Worms. None of the content in the MMII or FF is OGC. WotC is supposed to be relatively nice about giving permission, but that must be specially sought and obtained. Your one point of "wiggle room" might be if you could make a case that your Thunder Worms aren't those from the Fiend Folio (where their stats are), but that would be cutting it rather close, and you'd then have to have some other source with monsters named that.

It'll be Air Elementals for the preview, I'll see about getting Thunder Worms for the full release.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey CRGreathouse matey!

This reasoning is exactly why I want it released now. He'll release the whole thing later, so we'll get everything done differently -- as it should have been -- the second time around, with our discount too.

Think of this as your way to help me, help you, help me...or something like that.

A bit of cash flow should ease problems on Craig's side, and let him do the complete work the right way.

Yes that would be much appreciated, even a small amount would alleviate certain problems here that conspire to slow my progress.

That is, I think by releasing it now we *improve* the chances that the finished product will be great, not reduce them.

I can only see it helping.

 

[Kalanyr]

Plus think of all the puppies that you'll save!

 

[devilish]

Do it - do it - do it! Please.....

Would it just be the actual creatures or
also the supplemental rules, appendices, etc.

Thanks,
-D

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Kalanyr matey!

Plus think of all the puppies that you'll save!

Yes, otherwise I'll have animal rights activists breathing down my neck.

Hiya Devilish dude!

Do it - do it - do it! Please.....

Most people seem to be in favour of it.

Would it just be the actual creatures or also the supplemental rules, appendices, etc.

Well, lets see...

Page 2 lists Contents.
Page 3 is Creatures by CR/ECL and Type Tables...the CR Table will only be half finished.
Pages 4-7 is an article called Size Matters. This deals with everything up to Universe sized, though the tables only extend to MegaFine. Theres also stuff on how density affects strength (and vice versa), virtual size categories, a Universal Damage Table and subsequent modifiers (by type and shape).
Pages 8-9 are a brief examination of the relative dimensions...I really like the way this has turned out.

The rest would be the monster entries. Though there are additional information pages for some of the entries. Half of page 10 is devoted to Abominations. There are also two pages for both Angels (Hierarchy, Armies, Relationships, and some secret stuff) and Dragons (New Types, Age Tables, Dragon Creation etc.). There is also a page each for Daemons, Demons and Devils. At the moment I am debating whether or not to have a page for the Brood (aka Slaad) Hierarchy, but I might save that for the second Bestiary where I plan to have a handful of Brood detailed.

Thanks,

Anytime mate!

 

[CRGreathouse]

At the moment I am debating whether or not to have a page for the Brood (aka Slaad) Hierarchy, but I might save that for the second Bestiary where I plan to have a handful of Brood detailed.

I would, of course, like to see this here.

 

[devilish]

Just finished "On Writing" by Stephen King who recommends, after you
finish your first draft "with the door closed", you should invite half a dozen
of your friends to review it "with the door open" before putting your finishing
touches on it.

sounds like a good idea to me.....

 

[CRGreathouse]

Just finished "On Writing" by Stephen King who recommends, after you
finish your first draft "with the door closed", you should invite half a dozen
of your friends to review it "with the door open" before putting your finishing
touches on it.

sounds like a good idea to me.....

Along those lines, I'll note that I do freelance editing. (I'm good, too. )

Good luck!

 

[Baronovan]

Go for it. It might be a good move for more than one reason.

 

[CRGreathouse]

How's the progress? Were you serious about having it "next week" (that is, by the 8th), or when should we expect it?

What will be the logistics of purchasing it -- will you have something on your site or use another provider (RPGNow)? What payment methods are possible?