The IR Aftermath Campaign Characters

[Sollir Furryfoot]

Also, Skot, Kal said there is no such thing as Knowledge (Monsters), it is broken up into Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Religion), Knowledge (The Planes), and Wilderness Lore I think, depending on the type of creature.

You need to type up Amulet of the Arcanist, and any other material from Book of Eldritch Might I and II and Relics and Rituals as well.

 

['o Skoteinos]

Fine, Wise Warlord, you may disagree with my reasoning, but here is the official WOTC take on it:

Magic of Fearun, page 138:

Storm Armor of the Earths Children:

This +1 cold, fire and lightning resistance full plate only resizes to fit dwarfes, gnomes and halflings.
Caster level 5th; Prerequiste: Craft Arms and Armor, resist elements, creator must be dwarf, gnome or halfling; Market Price: 111,650 gp; Cost to Create 56,650 gp + 4,400 xp

Now take a look at that Market Price and cost to create. It is a +10 full plate, which would normally cost 101,650. That leaves 10,000 GP unused...unless, of course you count the restricting races as a benifit...

 

[Sollir Furryfoot]

And we all know that WotC is undecided on several matters, that is a sample of race restriction not paying off, not alignment...perhaps 10,000 for resizing part...which is a benefit and not restriction, normal restricted items don't resize themselves, they simply just can't be used-or I could be wrong, but thats my take

 

[TheWiseWarlord]

Fine, Wise Warlord, you may disagree with my reasoning, but here is the official WOTC take on it:

Magic of Fearun, page 138:

Storm Armor of the Earths Children:

This +1 cold, fire and lightning resistance full plate only resizes to fit dwarfes, gnomes and halflings.
Caster level 5th; Prerequiste: Craft Arms and Armor, resist elements, creator must be dwarf, gnome or halfling; Market Price: 111,650 gp; Cost to Create 56,650 gp + 4,400 xp

Now take a look at that Market Price and cost to create. It is a +10 full plate, which would normally cost 101,650. That leaves 10,000 GP unused...unless, of course you count the restricting races as a benifit...

Or it could just be a typo. WoTC isn't known for it's flawless editing. You'll have to show me more than one magic item that is off by 10k to convince me restrictions should cost more, not less.

 

[The Forsaken One]

I share opinions with Skot. They are a BENEFIT for you and so must cost more and they are harder to create and so they should cost more.

In OOC opinion and in IC technical opinion they should cost more in my humble opinion

 

['o Skoteinos]

Well, WW, as far as I know, there is only one item with a race restriction and that is the item I typed. Further, in the official errate, the item is not mentioned, probably meaning that it is correct...

And Sollir, all magic items resize automatically...unless there is a restriction on it.

 

[TheWiseWarlord]

Well, WW, as far as I know, there is only one item with a race restriction and that is the item I typed. Further, in the official errate, the item is not mentioned, probably meaning that it is correct...

And Sollir, all magic items resize automatically...unless there is a restriction on it.

Hill Giants have never been corrected in the errata, either, yet the designers confirm that they do indeed have 7 Charisma, not 17. A simple typing mistake is the reason they are listed as having that Charisma, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that is the same case with this magic item.

Besides, the restrictions Kalanyr is allowing are based on alignment and skills, which is in my opinion a penalty. I have no problem with the reduction in cost of such items. In my opinion, they really are a drawback, and not a benefit.

PS

By the way, would you be opposed to having a divination done on where the souls of your family would go if the Helmed Horror was destroyed?

 

['o Skoteinos]

Wise Warlord, do you know how much you are killing your own argument?

You say that a simple tying error caused the price to be 111,650. Presumably, you mean that they typed a 1 instead of a 0. But if they would have done that, then the price should be 101,650, instead of 71,650, what you want it to be...and so you make your own argument, that there should be a 30% reduction, worthless...

After all, typing 111 instead of 71 is quite a difference, isn't is?

I would not be opposed to divinations, but if kal is going to rule that the souls go back to their gods, then, obviously, I will not build the HH or have it divined, or I will not believe your divination...

 

[TheWiseWarlord]

Market Price: 111,650 gp;

It is a +10 full plate, which would normally cost 101,650

Errr... wouldn't typing a 1 instead of a 0 qualify as a simple typing error here? Or did you misstate the price in your first post?

 

['o Skoteinos]

Indeed, the typing of a 1 instead of a 0 is a simple error.

BUT you are arguing that the price should be 71,650, instead of 101,650. But if you say it is a simple typing error, you say that the price should be 101,650 (because if you type 111,650, instead of 71,650, that is not a simple error anymore).

Conclusion: you are arguing that race restriction should have no infuence on the cost of the item (because the normal price of the item is 101,650, and you agree with that). And, following that line of logic, other restriction shouldn't change the cost either. And thus you have agreed somewhat with me, that you should not get a decreased item cost when you place restriction on the item...

Anyway, Kalanyr, can you just make the ruling? I think it is silly, but if you allow it, I will be more than happy to make some changes to my equipment...