The Lamentation of Lolth - OoC V

I can say that if "Dreams" is an appellation of Sehanine, then it would be perfectly characteristic of your goddess to do something like that.
You'll have to wait until sleeping-beauty...I mean Majin, puts in his say. It could perhaps require too much from the tuckered little feller :lol:
 

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lol. not to worry on that part, i have a few ideas that if maj allows, i'll do a post next time they sleep running with it. have to work with him to iron out the details tho.
 

My two coppers are this.

The blade is that of a female dwarven fighter in the hands of an elvish female fighter/priest. To the dwarven mind, a fighter/priest is a truly wonderful thing as they draw on the best aspects of the two things dwarves hold extremely high on the totem pole. Faith and battle.

Now imagine being that blade, being trapped inside a cave for who knows long, and the one candidate that you can reach out two is someone that you would really rather not call out to, but freedom is freedom. You land in the hands of an elf, barely out of childhood and full of doubt and confusion about your place in the world. You give her the benefit of the doubt and open up to her slightly, revealing who and what you are, but not trusting this one with the full knowledge of what your transformation has done to you. You see potential, but first you have to demonstrate that you are more than Bigby's Universal Tool. Patience is not your strong suit...

No offense Kirinke, but you have a wonderful RPing chance that I would love to see you do more of. Hell, if you are worried about doing it on list, send Majin the stuff offlist and then cut and paste it here for us to see it.

I personally don't see that the sword has been being snippy with you, I see it as being a dwarf with you, and in that regards I think Majin has been spot on. The elvish mentality and dwarvish one is very different, and while if the sword's soul was elvish, it might instantly tell you everything, but since it is dwarvish, you have to treat it like a rare vein of mithral, mine it slowly and carefully, as the rewards are worth it.

I'm not trying to poop in anyone's cornflakes, as I know that we are all friends, but sometimes we have to expect that not everything will be available to us as soon as we would like it. It makes the getting that much sweeter in my opinion.

Again, if you want to RP out a resolution with the blade, schweet deal and I can't wait to read it, if you want to give it to the first dwarf you see heading south, it is your call and who knows it might be for the best. However, just remember that while you and the blade may not always get along, the majority of dwarves are good aligned, so if a time of uber crisis arose, I don't think the sword would let you die just to teach you a lesson...:)
 

good ideas all of you and probably the best way for both of them to begin seeing the others' point of view is probably the dream quest thing. And like you said verb, they are both completely alien to each other, but have alot in common with each other if they could just see it. And I'd really like the chance to roleplay that out. :) it'd be fun.

Right now, Teleri is still coming to grips with the fact that her sword is an intelligent creature in its own right. I mean, stormarmor is a very rare type of magical item. Perhaps in that 'dream quest' thing, Sehanine could show her that Dror is a person in her own right and deserves respect.

And the sword hasn't got a clue on how to react to a very young she-elf. I'd peg teleri to being the equivalent of a 17-18 yr old maturity wise. The dream-quests could teach Dror a bit about patience as well.

and if you guys have any ideas on how such a dream quest would go, i'd love to hear them. And maj probably would too. He has such neat rat-bastardly ways of twisting it to make it more fun. :] :lol:

Sorry maj if i seemed a bit abrupt in the first post 2day tho. I was doing the knee-jerk reaction thing there. But, if we went with the dream route after the battle, it would be a wonderful roleplaying opportunity for both of us.

Oh and looked up the grimlock thing in the MM. Could that be what the pillar thing was talking about you know the 'what spawns below should stay below?'
 
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First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for their input, and I think Verbatim hit the nail on the head with his take on how he understands the situation. Forgive me if the rest of this post seems jumbled but it will most likely be in a few very large paragraphs trying to answer just about every concern that was raised, while calling on some other things that were said to help get my thoughts on the table.

On the topic of the sword displaying it's superiority, this can be seen in two ways. First off the sword may seem to come off as superior because frankly it is superior. It has lived a much longer life than Teleri, has seen more battles and gained more battle experience, as well as wisdom. If you want to look at it in OoC game terms, Dror progressed to a much higher "level" than Teleri has up to this point before being imbued in the sword. At the end of the day, when all is said and done, the simple fact of the matter is, that the sword has the power to take complete control over her if it wishes to do so. That is not a threat, it's just a simple fact. This would also, I should point out, mean that if Teleri would want to throw the sword away, if the sword did not want her to do that, it could stop her. Now the second way to look at it, is that the sword is not going out of its way to act superior, it's simply that way by nature. The person imbued within the sword was royalty, and with royalty normally comes some sense of stature among others. Now everyone's personality is going to be different and they will handle it differently. This is simply the personality I have chosen for the sword, and Teleri will just have to learn to live with it. I must stress though, that Teleri may not always get nothing but grief from this sword. That actually is completely up to her in the way she acts. I have predetermined certain things the sword will be looking for in the way Teleri carries herself, and so far the sword has not seen much improvement, and until it does, Teleri cannot expect better treatment just because she wants to be friends with the sword, and thinks that should be enough to cause the sword to be nice to her from that point on. That's too "easy", and is not going to happen.

I'll point to what Verbatim said in his post, about this being an incredible RPing chance for Kirinke's character, which it is. It seems to me that Kirinke herself is showing signs of being impatient, not the sword. Although we are playing in a fantasy setting, things are not going to have fairytale storybook endings. Things such as this conflict with the sword will not be wrapped up and all better in a "sitcom half-hour," is what I'm basically getting at. This is just the impression that I get from Teleri's enthusiasm to get the sword to "be friends" so fast.

One of the points that Kirinke brought up was asking the question "Wouldn't you feel pissed at this kind of behavior" (Paraphrased) My answer to that in this circumstance is that yes I might feel pissed about it, but what are you gonna do when confronted with something that powerful? It may be stretching it a little bit, but let's say you're confronted by an ancient red dragon who insults your mother to your face. Now remember you're currently level 4. Are you going to back-talk to it? I'll get started looking up your next of kin if your answer is yes.... I'm reminded of an old addage in D&D that has something to do with the difference of being "Lawful Good" and "Lawful Stupid." I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Now the main problem right now is how do we proceed with the relationship between the sword and Teleri? In all honesty I don't think this dream-quest thing would work out in this case. I'll agree it's a viable option in most cases, but you have to remember, Teleri is dealing with a stubborn dwarf here. Dwarve's are not big on sitting down and talking about their feelings and trying to work it out that way. Whether a goddess intervenes (which I am not too keen on that idea) and shows them their differences or not, any true dwarf is going to respect action over words any day.

So my advice for Teleri, is instead of trying to get the sword to understand where she's coming from, show it she's making an effort to change. Regardless of what she thinks she has done to change, the criteria I have set for the sword and how it scrutinizes her actions and judges her by, are far from being abated right now.

Here is something important to remember, I'm going to give it it's own line in the hopes that it will sink in for Kirinke.

*Read this 10 times!***Do not expect change overnight!***Read it 10 more times!*

If all else fails and one day you're thinking that the sword isn't being nice enough to you please go back and read the above Kirinke. This whole conflict with the sword is a chance that you're getting that not many players ever get the chance to experience. Verbatim has clearly expressed this. In all seriousness, don't F:):)K it up. :heh:
 

From what i've read of sehanine, she wouldn't interfere directly. I mean, she wouldn't just show up in a dream and tell them that they've been behaving like kids and grow up. :p

That's not her way. She'd probably handle it a bit more obliquely. And even then, both teleri and the sword have complete freedom to react to the dreams in their own way, so even sehanine wouldn't have a real idea on how it'd turn out.

And it could be a continious thing, something that might not happen every night, but enough times for both her and the sword to start coming together as a team. I dont' expect them to see eye to eye on everything or heck even most things, but at least, they'd maybe realize that they have alot more in common than they thought.

Plus, it could be simply a subconscious reaction on teleri's part and have nothing to do with sehanine at all. :)

and maj, you do have a valid point.
the sword is a superior item. and i will be taking the advice given to heart, and have teleri slowly begin to act in a more mature manner. :)
 
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I realize what Sehanine can do and what her dogma is about, but at this time I still do not agree that a dream quest would solve anything with the sword at the moment. Perhaps in the future, but I'm making no promises on that.

In the future I'd ask that anyone refrain from posting specific suggestions or ideas about what they want to do with their characters in this thread, the OoC threads are more geared towards answering someones concerns about what is currently going on at present in-game. I would ask that if anyone has any such ideas they e-mail me about it and we'll discuss it privately that way so as not to disrupt the game in a way like this again. Thanks. :)
 

Hipp...could you shoot me an e-mail offlist? There are a few things I would like to bounce around with you if you don't mind.

The addy is crow112101 at yahoo.com.

Nothing major, so if you are busy don't worry about it...:)
 

sorry for the bruhaha maj.
I was outta line back there and for that i apologize.

At least now, I know the sword's point of view a bit better, cuz before I didn't have a clue and therefore Teleri had less of a clue. Now that I have some ideas, I can slowly begin to mature Teleri a bit more. Which will be interesting in of itself. I'm going to have to remember what it was like to be 17-18 again. *shudder*

anywayz. On with the game! :)
 
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