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jasper said:
BUZZ It got axed then picked up for the fifth season. That is the reason the war was wrapped up in fourth. And the fifth was left floudering in water.

BUZZ. If it got axed, it was only because the Prime Time Network (a cable network that would show on a variety of smaller cable channels) itself went under. TNT, in their one kind act that defies reason and logic, saved this one show from that network while all the others disappeared. And then they turned around and killed Crusade a year later.
 

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Storm Raven said:
I think you give them too much credit. This style of printer was used on all of the ships, including the ship the Education Secretary-to-President was tooling around in.
I know I do.

I was also making jokes today that the cylons secret weapon was an universial remote controller. :)
 

jdavis said:
Yes and hasn't that really turned out to be a disaster for the franchise as a whole? It's polarized the Star Trek community and ratings have been less than stellar for the show.

Like the Star Trek Community wasn't polarised before? Come on, its been polarised since Trekkie and Trekker; TOS and TNG; and the advent of slash fiction. I mean scifi fanbases built around long running materials are by their very nature polarised because one segment of the population always thinks its more pure and knows better than the others. This mirrors a lot of religious squabbles that happen because one group just knows better or are more pure then the rest. The BSG fanbase was never "united," and neither was the Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Star trek, Space 1999, Dr. Who, Conan, Blakes 7, The Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Dune, and any other program, game, book or whatnot with a cult following. Its the nature of the beast, and the pattern goes back into history for thousands and thousands of years, with science, religion, history, and whatever subject that attracts human interest. The "Franchise" is fine. The new material may not take a form you like, but hey, if we don't like it, we can go back to the original stuff and shun the new ways.

Aaron.
 

LightPhoenix said:
Because after 25 years of toiling, no progress was made.

If the fan-base was as much of a force as you claim it to be, something would have been done with the property a long time ago.

And I'd also point out none of these projects are on the air.
Actually the toiling got started in late 1998 with Richard Hatch making a trailer with personal funds to try and convince Studio USA to do a new Galactica (which is the studio who did the new Galactica). There were tens of thousands of letters and crappy online petiton drives and such and in the end Universal (who ownes studio USA and the Battlestar Galactica rights) decided a new version might work, enter Bryan Singer/Tom Desanto (of the X men movies), then they did X2 instead and Studio USA got the guys who did this new show. There was some hinkey stuff in there but then there is always hinkey gossip stuff when Sci Fi channel is involved. Richard Hatch had finacial backing (I believe it was around 40 million) but Universal owns the rights to the show, so you will only see their version. Do you really think Universal would let three different versions of Galactica be done? The reason we got this one was because it was the version the Sci Fi execs wanted (the same ones who wanted Tremors the series and axed Farscape. Not that I'm bitter or anything:p ). If Hatch had the tv rights his would of been made, if Larson had the movie rights there would of been Larson's movie, but Vivindi Universal has the rights so we got the Studio USA version.
 

Why do so many people put faith in Larson? The guy has an established track record for bad TV and being a hack in general. In fact, I would argue that Battlestar Galactica and Magnum PI are the two shows that Larson actually did right. That said, why do people think that he could do any better than what we were given? Personally if I were to choose anyone else to helm BSG, it would be Richard Hatch. The problem there is that he would probably use the show as a vehicle to advance his celebrity status by deemphasizing other characters and placing Apollo at the center of everything.
 

Zenon said:
It's ok to be disappointed, not everyone has the same tastes. At least you gave it a shot before you made your decision.
By some of my post people might think I'm mad or fanatical or something here but actually I'm not loosing any sleep over this, it's just fun to dig into the trenches of a good discusion. My main gripe for the whole thing is that they took off their normal Stargate Monday schedule for this, besides it's a good way to practice my goggle-fu techniques.

I really wanted a decent Galactica series because I really want something decent on tv to watch, it's not like I wanted to dislike this show, I was digging for reasons to like it.
 

Baraendur said:
Why do so many people put faith in Larson? The guy has an established track record for bad TV and being a hack in general. In fact, I would argue that Battlestar Galactica and Magnum PI are the two shows that Larson actually did right. That said, why do people think that he could do any better than what we were given? Personally if I were to choose anyone else to helm BSG, it would be Richard Hatch. The problem there is that he would probably use the show as a vehicle to advance his celebrity status by deemphasizing other characters and placing Apollo at the center of everything.
It's funny but Larson and Hatch were fueding over Galactica's future before this all started, Larson's ideas were not really liked, but he got credit from the community for doing a continuation story instead of a re-imagining (that's about it). I found some references to his story, it revolved around the Battlestar Pegasus finding earth and had the vipers becoming like the Veritech fighters from the Macross anime. If sounded pretty darn lame to me, but he had started pre-production work, he just couldn't get the movie rights. I've also heard rumors he is working on a new Knight Rider movie, I hope he can't get the rights to that either. I was just using him to point out that there were other ideas with a lot of backing out there. I'm not sure what happened between Richard Hatch and the woman at Sci Fi (whose name escapes me right now, it's the exec everybody always talks about) but he was the one who got his foot in the door, then Singer/DeSanto got it (and I think DeSanto wanted Hatch and Dirk Bennidict involved with his version too) but I never saw why he left the project (Singer left to do X2). Larson's project was completly separate from Universal and he was going to finance it as a independant film.

edit: I was trying to find out more on the timeline bit here and it looks like the DeSanto/Singer project may have involved Glen Larson and was meant to be a Fox TV series. It also looks like the Sci Fi version may of been pushed because the show rights were about to revert back to Larson. Once again I could be mistaken as I have only been looking for background info for 2 days now and there is so much more than I thought out there, some of it contradictory.
 
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jdavis said:
By some of my post people might think I'm mad or fanatical or something here but actually I'm not loosing any sleep over this, it's just fun to dig into the trenches of a good discusion.

I never got the impression you were being fanatical, and it has been a pretty good discussion so far. Everyone's being pretty civil about it (and granted, BSG doesn't have the following of something like LotR that can really wind up fans of it).

Trust me, I know your disappointment. I was actually prepared not to like it after hearing about all the changes they were going to make in the "re-imaging" of it, but they won me over.
 

I am cautiously optimistic.

There were things I didn't like. Starbuck, for instance, just didn't seem right. It isn't because she is a woman but rather because the performance seemed forced. Like the actress was trying too hard to be butch. I just wasn't convinced. I wasn't real crazy about the uniforms either. The officer's uniforms were ok, but I hate that stupid muscle shirt over t-shirt thing they kept doing. Like everyone else, it seems, I wanted to see more of the metallic cylons instead of just the "human" ones. I also hated how everyone seemed to be too flawed. The whole show was rather darker than I really like, but that's to be expected given what was going on at the time. It's hard to make the destruction of a civilization seem bright and cheerful.

I liked things too. I really liked Baltar.

As I said, I really liked Baltar. It seemed to me that they were being very subtle with his character. You got the impression that he didn't intend for anything bad to happen and was not a traitor in the least, but also that he certainly looked out for himself before thinking of others. You got several scenes where you wondered about his actions and what motivated him such as the scene on the bridge and afterward. They've really set up an interesting conflict with him. I can see people watching any series just to see what goes on with Baltar not unlike the following Lex Luthor has on Smallville.

The new Boxey doesn't bother me, but the old one didn't either. Then again, I don't generally get annoyed by kids so take that as you will. I will note that this kid is older than the original Boxey. The old one was about 7 or 8 in the old show and this one looks maybe 11 or so. That can make a big difference in the character. Interesting sidenote: When looking at the IMDB entry for the show, I discovered that the officer on the station at the very beginning was listed as "Boxey's Father". You hear Boxey later mention his father was in the colonial fleet and that he was told he was missing but he thought he was dead.

Another thing I noticed was a very short scene where Col. Tigh was lying on his bunk (not too long after the fight with Starbuck) and he started burning a picture of a woman who I presume was his wife. It was a picture of number 6.

I do have to wonder how they're going to do a series out of this. If they have gotten away from the cylons, where is the conflict going to come from? I hope it won't be "alien of the week" scenarios. I doubt they could pull off earth very well either. I hear the miniseries exceeded ratings expectations, so I guess we'll see.

ps: Remember when a "mini-series" was ten or twenty hours of television over several nights, not a long movie?
 

My votes for favorite quotes:

Tyrol(?): "We have to move them [vipers] over to the port tube"
Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard tube?"
Tyrol: "It's a gift shop."

and

Adama (looking away from a planning session to watch the president's aid talking with a woman working on the bridge): "They better start making babies."
Tigh: (after a long silence where everyone looks to see what Adama is staring at) "Is that an order, sir?"
 

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