The New GSL--What we want.

JohnRTroy

Adventurer
I'm writing this in the hopes that some of the creators of 4e are listening. (I would also ask it not be moved to OGL-F since this affects 4e and I've found more people read this forum, and the license for 4e hasn't been seen yet).

The GSL is the new license. We know this is happening. We also know it will be more restricted that the OGL. I personally am okay with that. But since the users of the license also matter I think we can ask for certain things.

1) Give us the ability to use your Product Identity and the Trademark, even if we have to give up certain more rights, such as Wizards owning the copyright or something. That is, allow us to create a module using Mind Flayers and Beholders. I'm sure the fans will appreciate it, especially those who aren't making money but want to share their own creations.

2) Allow us to create derivative rules and allow us to lock them down if we see fit. Since it's derived from your ruleset, you may reserve the right to use them yourselves--I know any lawyer will tell you that, to prevent the odd "simultaneous idea" situation from turning into a lawsuit--but allow the other publishers to create stuff they can then choose to release to others for nothing but attribution, or to get special permission first. This will allow the people making money off the other adventures to create new rules without being ripped or used by others. Think of it similar to using the Creative Commons--there are different licenses you can apply. Give the creators more control over how their own contributions get reused. Let company A decide if their book of cool monsters can be used without a license, or if you need special permission. This allows authors to have a little more control over their bottom line.

3) I understand if you need to have a morals clause. However, rather than do a strict bureaucratic "ethics code" with lots of definitions, why not just leave it in general terms, because that should prevent most creative problems. If you did this, I would ask you not abuse that trust, people are suspicious of using this as a "catch-all" to shut down the most popular competitor. Maybe you can allow somebody like GAMA to arbitrate if there's a request to take it down if you believe there's an code of standards violation.

4) If you allow people to put up content for non-profit purposes, don't limit it to one location. While the DI and Gleemax are good, it wouldn't be considered a good thing if that was the only place you could put GSL content. Please respect your audience in this regard.

Anybody else have any ideas or considerations?
 

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JohnRTroy said:
Anybody else have any ideas or considerations?

Hm. I think in (3) above, the idea of a third-party arbitrator of what's appropriate will fly like a lead balloon, especially if they are allowing use of trademark as you ask in (1). If a morals clause is present, it is there to protect the reputation of WotC and D&D. No sane businessman leaves their good name in the hands of third parties unless they have to.
 

JohnRTroy said:
1) Give us the ability to use your Product Identity and the Trademark, even if we have to give up certain more rights, such as Wizards owning the copyright or something. That is, allow us to create a module using Mind Flayers and Beholders. I'm sure the fans will appreciate it, especially those who aren't making money but want to share their own creations.

Suppose I wanted to use it with another system than D20 -different rules. That would be the coolest thing they could do IMO but I doupt Wotc would ever allow that.
 

Well, actually, I'm sort of proposing different "levels", rather than a 1 license fits all. I assume if you use the D&D Trademark and elements of Product Identity they will not usually allow, you'll have to follow stricter standards.

I guess I'd like to see the GSL come in a few varieties, fitting the personal desires of the writers as needed while still protecting WoTC's rights.
 

To be really blunt: What I *don't * want is for WotC to consider ANY of these options, for the simple fact that the last thing we need is more reason for the GSL to go back to legal for review, delaying it even further.

Jus' sayin'.
 


JohnRTroy said:
I'm writing this in the hopes that some of the creators of 4e are listening. (I would also ask it not be moved to OGL-F since this affects 4e and I've found more people read this forum, and the license for 4e hasn't been seen yet)

Sorry, John. I'm sure people who feel strongly about the issue will be reading the OGL forum, and "this forum gets more traffic" has never been a good enough reason to put things elsewhere in these parts. :)
 


I actually disagree with several of these, especially #1 & 2. If the GSL even has an impact on 3rd party to 3rd party re-use, I would rather it encouraged it rather than encouraging lock-down. I'm not sure why WotC would craft a license that allows other companies to use their material, but lets other companies prevent the very same thing. Seems awfully counter-intuitive to me. Also, as cool as it would be to have 3rd party material with mind flayers and such, I think many publishers would rather not trade off their copyright just to use mind flayers.

What I want is for them to say "Aw, screw it, let's just stick with the OGL." However, since I doubt that's gonna happen, I'd settle for them getting any license done and to the publishers so that they can get to deciding the future of their companies. :)
 

I'm not sure why WotC would craft a license that allows other companies to use their material, but lets other companies prevent the very same thing. Seems awfully counter-intuitive to me.

Economic reasons. It gives the producers more incentive to use the license because it allows them to control the re-use and gives them a financial incentive to make a GSL product instead of rolling their own system.

And it gives them control. It allows them to make the decision. If somebody wants to be open, let them. If somebody wants to be exclusive, let them. Let the person actually writing the work make the choice.

The hypothetical control could be like this. Necromancer could have their ToH, but prevent people from reproducing anything but the abbreviated stat block. Joe Blow could release all his rules because he wants to share. Green Ronin could create a True20 and allow people to make adventures or settings using it but prevent the person who created the SRD from publishing it for free on the Internet or somebody from strip-mining all their rules for free.
 
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