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The 'Racist' Tapestry of LotR

Greatwyrm said:
That's an interesting image...

"I need a couple of hardcore, pipeweed-hitting hobbits to go down there and straighten him out..."

"Your Hobbiton privileges have been revoked."
Actually laughed out loud. I never do that.

And now, to milk this for all it's worth:

"You hear me talkin' Morgul boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'm gonna get Second Age on your ass."

Frodo: "You ain't got no problem Sam. I'm on the mother. Go back in there, chill them hobbits out and wait for the Wizard who should be coming directly."
Sam: "You sendin' the Wizard? Well, that's all you had to say, negro!"

"I'm prepared to scour Middle Earth for that mutha. If Gollum goes to Far Harad, I want a Hobbit waiting in a bowl of rice to pop a cap in his ass"

/pushing it
 

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Flexor the Mighty! said:
It was racism in Star Wars:The Phantom Menace when the Trade Guild guys were deemed to be, "Too asian" and may offend. :rolleyes:

Yet, strangely, no one complains that all the bad guys in A New Hope were all white, British men, even Vader (his voice may have been portrayed by James Earl Jones, but his body was provided by British David Prowse).

The Serge said:
LotR is a mythology for England. As such, it stands to reason that it will largely feature "white" people.

Anyone else remember that Prince Valient cartoon that aired on the Family Channel back in the very early 90s? I clearly recall that one of the knights of the Round Table was black (another might have been Asian, but I'm not sure).

BTW, let's not forget that Disney's Aladin was attacked by Arab groups as being racist because the villain was Arab. Of course, they conveniently overlooked the fact that the hero, princess, genie, parrot, monkey, king, flying carpet, and everyone else in the movie was Arab since the whole damn thing was set in the middle east. :rolleyes:

Ironically, the Asian groups should have been upset since the original story took place in China. Once again, the Man supresses the truth! :D

Since political correctness says that the only people your can portray as evil or mock are white men, you know what that means: Open season on Canadians! :)
 
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Villano said:
BTW, let's not forget that Disney's Aladin was attacked by Arab groups as being racist because the villain was Arab. Of course, they conveniently overlooked the fact that the hero, princess, genie, parrot, monkey, king, flying carpet, and everyone else in the movie was Arab since the whole damn thing was set in the middle east. :rolleyes:
Well, let's take a good look at the protagonist and his allies. Aladin and the Princess do not exhibit too many of what some would associate as Middle-eastern/Arabic features. Both are relatively pale despite their dark hair... particularly Aladin, who, as a street-rat, I would have expected to be much darker in complexion. And the Sultan. He looks like a pudgy Santa Clause rather than an Arabic king. Jaffar, the villain, has the most extreme features that border on steroetype, so I can see the "concern."

Disney's not new with this.

As for Prince Valiant, if that's true, that's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.
 

Villano said:
BTW, let's not forget that Disney's Aladin was attacked by Arab groups as being racist because the villain was Arab. Of course, they conveniently overlooked the fact that the hero, princess, genie, parrot, monkey, king, flying carpet, and everyone else in the movie was Arab since the whole damn thing was set in the middle east. :rolleyes:

The thing that they were mostly complaining about were the origional lyrics to the theme song:

"I come from a land, from a faraway place
Where they cut off your hand
if they don't like your face
Its barbaric, but hey, its home."

It was edited out for the soundtrack. I could see why they would be offended, but Arab groups ought to be more concerned about the fact that there are STILL plenty of Arab countries that are like this (and there were two more at the time than there are now) than the fact that a movie mentions that this was the case a long time ago.
 

DM_Matt said:
It was edited out for the soundtrack.

Not really. The soundtrack has

"Where they cut off your ear
if they don't like your face
It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"

There's still cutting off of body parts for little reason, and it's still called barbaric.
 

The Serge said:
Well, let's take a good look at the protagonist and his allies. Aladin and the Princess do not exhibit too many of what some would associate as Middle-eastern/Arabic features. Both are relatively pale despite their dark hair... particularly Aladin, who, as a street-rat, I would have expected to be much darker in complexion. And the Sultan. He looks like a pudgy Santa Clause rather than an Arabic king. Jaffar, the villain, has the most extreme features that border on steroetype, so I can see the "concern."

We shouldn't forget that we're talking about non-realistic designs ("cartoony", if you will), so we shouldn't look for anatomical accuracy. And Jaffar really isn't any different than any other Disney villain. Does Cruella DeVille represent the British? Or Ursula purple-skinned octopus people?

In fact, the only Disney villain I can think of off-hand that were attractive were the Wicked Queen in Snow White and the hunter (whatever his name was) in Beauty & The Beast. And they were only good looking because that was the hook of their stories.

As for Prince Valiant, if that's true, that's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.

Oh, it's true, alright. I never bothered to watch it as it was pretty boring (they took out all the magic and watered down the action), so I never found out if the black knight was really supposed to be The Black Knight. I'm serious, would anyone be surprised if he was actually called that?

I'm still stunned that they took out the magic. It's a cartoon! You could do some great stuff with magic! The reason they axed it was because the producers said they wanted to stress realism...so they included a black guy...in King Aurther's court. Look out for all that realism! :rolleyes:

Oh, I almost forgot, in an episode I actually saw, a huge lizard attacked Valiant in Norway (or someplace like that). Did they have dinosaurs in Norway in the middle ages?

DM_Matt said:
The thing that they were mostly complaining about were the origional lyrics to the theme song:

"I come from a land, from a faraway place
Where they cut off your hand
if they don't like your face
Its barbaric, but hey, its home."

It was edited out for the soundtrack. I could see why they would be offended, but Arab groups ought to be more concerned about the fact that there are STILL plenty of Arab countries that are like this (and there were two more at the time than there are now) than the fact that a movie mentions that this was the case a long time ago.

I'm reminded of an episode of The Family Guy where Peter goes on stage and says that Christmas is the time of year when the ghost of Jesus stalks the land searching for blood and people sing carols to lull him back to sleep (or something like that). Someone in the audience gets angry, but, when his friend tells him there nothing he can do, he says, "Huh, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor then."
 

The Serge said:
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You know, if I bothered to try to respond how I think PC is fundamentally wrong I would get smacked down for bringing up politics so fast it would make my head spin. I have faith that our dear moderators won't bother to castigate you however. Then again I should think this thread would have been on a path towards destruction from the start- amazing how long it managed to stay on the rails.

buzzard
 

DM_Matt said:
To those non-Americans out-there: What terms are genreally used in your societies for minority groups?.

In NZ amongst those I associate with we 'recognise' Maori (native peoples of NZ), Pakeha (NZ Europeans), Pacific Islanders, Samoans, Tongans , Cooks Islanders, Fijians, Asians, Indians, South Africans (mainly White South Africans), English, Australians (white not Aboriginal) and everyone else.

In the Everyone else category - the breakdown is usually on national basis with very little regard to colour (so a 'white' american and a 'black' american will both be refered to as American, I also know a few Sudanese, Jamaicans, Tahitians, Dutch and Iranians.)

As for the original article HAHAHAHA - it was truely mindnumbing

oh and The Serge - preach on brother:D

(oh me I'm a New Zealand Native (aka Maori)- and that makes me Polynesian)
 

Tonguez said:
In NZ amongst those I associate with we 'recognise' Maori (native peoples of NZ), Pakeha (NZ Europeans), Pacific Islanders, Samoans, Tongans , Cooks Islanders, Fijians, Asians, Indians, South Africans (mainly White South Africans), English, Australians (white not Aboriginal) and everyone else.

It should be noted that a lot of NZ Europeans loathe the 'Pakeha' label.

And a lot of the groups you identified are frequently grouped as simply 'Polynesian' or 'Islander' when someone isn't sure or doesn't care exactly where a person is from.

-Hyp.
 

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