The rules should serve the game, not vice-versa

Sorry to chime in again, but a number of posts have raised the issue of players auditing the DM's NPCs and kicking up a fuss if they are not created by the rules, or demanding access to the same options.

To me, that is not the point. As I've mentioned, my players will probably never know if I have given my NPCs more skill ranks or access to a modified class. It is not a player issue at all. Rather, it is a style that I have adopted as a DM. I try to come up with a fun and interesting game while following the rules.

Yes, it does mean that I have to make trade-offs, and at times my NPCs may not be fully optimized as a result. The guy with a high Spot check and good BAB may have a couple of ranger levels (and thus has lower hp and access to fewer feats than a straight fighter), or may have spent a feat or two on Alertness and/or Skill Focus (Spot) (and not on other feats), or has a set of Eyes of the Eagle (instead of some other piece of equipment). To me, it adds to the realism of the game.
 

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"I wanna feel special!"
I love that.

It's not enough that the game, the game world, the game universe, revolves around the PC's.

Too many players think that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING should be available to them.

"Mage of the Shining Star Desert" PrC? The players wants it, even if his PC misses the critical requirement: Must be born in the Shining Star Desert on a clear and moonless night.

Oh, wait, those kinds of PreRequisites aren't in fashion, so the GM should remove all non-mechanics PreRek's from PrC's and Feats and such.

That kind of gets on my nerves. In a lot of ways, with players claiming they should get the ability to audit NPC's, claiming that all PrC's, AdC's, EC's, spells, feats, weapons, abilities, should be within the realm of any PC, regardless of race or sex, is getting rediculious.

I use "Background Occupation" (Ripped almost whole cloth from the d20 Modern SRD) in my fantasy homebrew. Fighter with 8 ranks of spot? Players figure he's a professional who took a background occupation that gave him Spot as a free class skill.

Of course, I've also heavily modified the in-house rules, so that Spot, Move Silently, Listen and Search are human racial skills, due to thier "Intelligent Predator, not much better than monsters." background in the setting.

The rules serve my game, and both my players and I don't have a problem with a rule being tweaked or suspended during the game. They've also learned that letting something slide on my end (A LE Orc with the Arcane Archer PrC) means that I'll let something slide on thier end in the game (You guys want to take the Urban Warfare Feat out of Blood & Guts for your fantasy characters, for free, because you've spent your entire careers in the same city? Ummm, OK).

A lot of this with "Can't take it unless you're a Skywalker", "No spellfire", ect ect ect along with "It isn't fair that DM monsters have abilities I don't!" complaints I see on many different boards makes me shake my head. Like one of my players explained to a newbie who complained that it wasn't fair that my NPC's could be any level, when they had to start at level one: "Life ain't fair, and this game is supposed to emulate life."

"Do you want a challenge, or shall I just hand you experience points for shoving over bums?" is a quote from one GM, who had grown tired of players commenting it wasn't fair that they only had THREE magical weapons when a monster had four magical abilities.

"Hey, I warned you." is another quote that should be heard more often. I've seen many players complain on forums that "The local townsfolk warned it was dangerous, but the GM shouldn't have mentioned it if he didn't want us to go looking!" after they were warned, repeatedly, not to go somewhere, did anyway, and the local populance (monsters, humaniods or NPC's) chewed them up and spit them out. To me, these are the same kinds of people who drink Liquid Plumber and then sue, saying: "If they didn't want it drank, they shouldn't have made it a liquid!" despite the big warning DO NOT DRINK! WILL DISSOLVE YOUR DUMB ASS!

Hmmm, I might be getting a bit off topic here... It's late though, and electrons are cheaper than pencils...

Slavish adherence to the rules, not allowing the GM to make any tweaks, and not allowing players to make tweaks, kind of pulls the magic out of the game. A lot of people seem enamored with "Gritty Realism" in thier fantasy game.

Personally, my job and life have enough "Gritty Realism" for me. I play the game for fun, and so do my players. If my player running an elf PC asks "Since he was captured by a savage orc tribe, and raised as one of thiers as revenge (according to the savage tribes codes we have laid out, this is actually reasonable and called: "Kit Price") on the elvish tribe, can I swap my elven weapon prof's for orcish ones?" I might say yes, and if the kobold they are chasing turns out to be a 1rst level blackgaurd of Snavesk (Kobold God of Power) they aren't going to raise a hue and cry.

I guess, what I'm saying, is it should all be about give and take.
And stop whining.
 


Man, I seem to have touched a nerve. Are their some underappreciated DMs here or what? :)
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1) I understand the difference between CR and ECL. That is not what I am talking about.


2) I don't mind if DMs change the rules. That is not what I am talking about.


3) I don't mind if DMs add new rules/classes/races/powers/monsters/whatever. That is also not what I am talking about.
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What I am talking about is this:

There are certain DMs, (of which I have played with a couple), who are more concerned with making cool bad guys (by breaking the rules), than making the PCs cool (by breaking the rules).

An example:

I am playing typical human fighter with typical feats and typical skills with typical DMG items.

The bad guy NPC fighter gets to have spot as a class skill, can shoot jets of flame out his eyeballs, light his hair on fire, and cause rocks to bounce like ping pong balls. He can also dance a mean tango (with his 20 ranks in Perform). He gets a magical obidurium sword that turns to dust when he dies, and his armor is made out of spider webs with the strength of adamantine.
 


IMC I guess that bad guy would be a Cambion or have some other justification why he had all that stuff - WoTC like applying those darn Templates to everything, maybe the DM applied the "1/2-Efreeti Tango Dancer" template?! :)
 

Snoweel said:
That'd suck.

I feel you baby.

Thank you.

IMC I guess that bad guy would be a Cambion or have some other justification why he had all that stuff - WoTC like applying those darn Templates to everything, maybe the DM applied the "1/2-Efreeti Tango Dancer" template?!

Justification? Please... Does Elminster need a justification for taking levels of rogue, cleric and fighter? Nah, he just did it to mock me. :)
 

Actually, it is somewhat of a sore nerve with me. I've had players (some of whom are no longer with my group) tell me that anything the NPC's can take, they should be able to take, and that Wizards recommended the dropping of all non-mechanic prerequisites.

I can understand your point. What you are dealing with is far and away different that what I put my players through. They KNOW that thier main opponent is a 2,000 year old immortal who is thouroughly multiclassed (They beat her often in the political arena, and run for it otherwise), but they have thier own benifits.

Yours sounds more like "I can make cool stuff and you can't!"

Good luck.
 

Snoweel said:

The best I can offer is: http://greyhawkonline.com/pitsofevil/viewforum.php?f=22

There are dozens of spiral notebooks of data, over 200 maps drawn on paper, and a lot of other stuff. The 3.0 conversion wasn't even finished, and had to go back through and start for 3.5.

Not much data there, really, compared to what's sitting in the file cabinet next to me, but it'll get more and more.

I will warn you. It's HIGH magic, high powered, and a serious challenge. In order to handle a lot of the problems, I took the "Ordinary Template" bit from d20 Modern and applied it everyone but a select few.

Anyway, looking at that, you should be able to tell...

Yeah, my BBEG's and thier buddies are powerful, but so are the PC's and thier buddies.
 

S'mon said:
maybe the DM applied the "1/2-Efreeti Tango Dancer" template?! :)

I think I'll sig that just so people look for this thread to figure out what you were talking about. ;)
 
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