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There's a large and growing fan base for a show that never aired.

Rackhir said:
Since you've been exhibiting "trollish" behavior in both the threads I've seen you posting in, I was posting more to warn the other people in the thread.
You really shouldn't "judge" people from only two threads :)
reveal has posted lots elsewhere (just take a look in the OT forum) and is definitely not a troll.

And to stay on topic... has anyone here actually seen the pilot? :D ;)
 

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I'll agree that Reveal is being rude, and I'll also agree with him just to confuse the issue.

If I'm a network executive, what this article tells me is that a bunch of computer geeks like this show. That's wonderful, but the problem with computer geeks is that, by and large, they're on the front of the tech evolution. And that means that the big point currently arguing in favor of buying this show is also the point telling me (and any potential advertiser that might come a'calling) that this audience is going to have a high percentage of people watching it online, on their TIvo, on their satellite digital recorder, on something that lets them skip commercials.

I could be completely and totally wrong in my thinking, and I'd welcome anybody with an inside view of the television industry to correct me. But my understanding was that this is becoming a bigger deal -- the notion that yeah, having 9 million people watching our show is great, but if 7 million of them fast-forward through the commercials, and our advertisers hear about that, it's gonna be a problem. This starts to become a reason to pass on shows that you think are going to only appeal to the tech-geek crowd -- at least, until advertisers succumb to the inevitable and start taking ads to the next step.

No idea what the next step might include. Could just be a little Nike logo in the corner of the screen for the entire episode of Alias. Could be Evangeline Lilly pausing in the middle of Lost to say, "You know what I miss? Dr. Pepper. I would just kill for a nice tall glass of Dr. Pepper. That was always my favorite drink. Jack might be the doctor I want, but Dr. Pepper is the doctor I NEED." Could be a 30-second Mazda commercial that fires up every time I hit "Play" to watch CSI, unless I pay my satellite company an extra fee for the Premium No Ad package.

Regardless of what it is, though, until that time, shows whose biggest presence are represented by Internet downloads are going to be a tough sell, I think. You're not the customer when you watch television, although you might think you are. You're the product. The advertisers are the customers. And a product that doesn't work -- that usually fast-forwards or digitally edits out the commercials -- is a product that few customers are going to want to buy.

(And yes, it's more complex than that -- the audience is the customer to an extent, because they can leave if they don't like it, so the network is trying to sell to two groups simultaneously in a delicate balancing act. It has to have enough ads to keep the advertisers happy, but not so many that the audience goes away, because when the audience goes away, the advertisers go away as well. Actually, it's kind of like running a plant-herbivore-carnivore web simulation. The networks are the grassy plains, the audience is the grazing herd animals that also keep the grassland healthy, and the advertisers are the roaming hyenas that prey on herd animals. If the grassland stinks, the herd animals go elsewhere, and the hyenas follow them. If the hyenas show up too often, the herd animals go elsewhere, and then the hyenas follow them. If the herd animals have learned to avoid the hyenas while still getting the grass, they eventually kill the grassland by overeating, and the ticked-off hyenas don't bother heading over to that particular grassland anymore.

Okay, it's a strained metaphor at best. But come on. Marketing hyenas. You gotta love that.)
 


Yay! jonrog's show got cancelled. Hopefully that means he'll update his SH soon.... Sorry, Jon. That was a joke...

If you're a jonrog raging fanboy, you'd know that he had been working on that show without his quote in the news story. Not that I'm a jonrog raging fanboy, of course... just pointing out...nevermind.

Yay!
 

I caught the pilot. At the end it noted (very briefly) that it was the "final sales version" and was dated October 2004. It's not like that was an age ago or anything... seems like there'd still be plenty of shopping-around to do, unless it's all for one network (WB).

I thought the show was excellent, very entertaining. The sci-fi element is light -- it's set in current times with just slightly advanced technology, or so it seems, though it's got some mental powers stuff, too.

Really quite enjoyable.
 

It was okay; suffered from trying to cram too many elements into one show, IMO (which is a failing of many pilots- they always try to put everything the show is about into a one hour pilot, and it ends up a mishmash. Which is a shame, as future episodes, if they are ever greenlighted, can take a more relaxed pace.) The major actors weren't very good, either, with the exception of Michelle Forbes (a perfect Miranda Zero), and Josh Hopkins (who played Sean Flynn, and is evidently a recurring character).

I liked the comic, though it never floored me, either, and I only got the first couple of issues. Interesting concept, and I think it could do really well as a series, but I can see why Fox may have passed on it, based on the pilot.

Sounds like they had some really good things in store though (Ellis and co. evidently had a 5 year plan, which only Michelle Forbes was aware of- which is cool, as it allows her to actually think long term about her acting choices). Stracynzski was evidently in talks with Ellis and co. to write for the show, as well.
 

One of my friends got the pilot for me, but I have yet to watch it (my only real computer access is at work until I get my home system set up).

However, I find the possibility of this being a viable buiness model interesting. If this is made to work, we may be seeing the first buisness use of P2P. Watcht the pilot for free, get the rest on DVD for some price. Sure, it won't stop piracy, but it's a way of taking advantage of that infrastructure for real buisness.

And of course, that's IF it actually works.
 

reveal said:
[sarcasm]A bunch of computer geeks download a show about computer geeks and watch it. Wow. Ya, that'll make the WB put it on the air.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, though, it doesn't matter. First off, saying you get an extra 10,000 hits on your website doesn't mean anything. It's a website so, by the very nature of the internet, these hits could be coming from anywhere, not just the US, which is where the WB's target audience lives.

Secondly, 10,000 hits, even if they did all come from the US, does not translate well into ratings and that is all the WB is concerned with.

Third, Fox brought back Family Guy because it made a lot ton of money in DVD sales. This show hasn't made any money. Why should the WB put it on?

They've put out, and cancelled, too many crappy shows that have a core audience that probably makes up the bulk of the people who downloaded Global Frequency. You don't see WB clamoring to put those shows back on the air, do you?

Here's a newsflash for you - Global Frequency is getting press, and in major news media outlets at that. Press generates buzz, and buzz leads advertisers to look at a show. It's also exposing a lot of people to the idea behind the show itself. All of this is creating a ready made fanbase that's willing to watch the shows, watch the advertising...and that translates to money.

But hey, internet fanbase means nothing, right? I'll phone up Joss Whedon and let him know that Serenity isn't a real film, made with real money, money gained from popularity springing from a largely internet fanbase.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, and worse, you're being rude about it.
 

Jim Hague said:
Here's a newsflash for you - Global Frequency is getting press, and in major news media outlets at that. Press generates buzz, and buzz leads advertisers to look at a show. It's also exposing a lot of people to the idea behind the show itself. All of this is creating a ready made fanbase that's willing to watch the shows, watch the advertising...and that translates to money.

But hey, internet fanbase means nothing, right? I'll phone up Joss Whedon and let him know that Serenity isn't a real film, made with real money, money gained from popularity springing from a largely internet fanbase.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, and worse, you're being rude about it.

When did the studio promise to let Joss Whedon film Serenity? Was it before or after it was cancelled? People bought DVDs and that transalated into money. That's what it's all about.

Just because a show is getting "buzz" does not translate into money. Especially when it's a show that would be on UPN. Almost every show that has been on UPN has been cancelled because people weren't watching it. Why would UPN take the time to put on this show when a few people on the Internet, and NOT necessarily people in an advertisers market like the USA, have downloaded it and said it's good?

BTW, I do have an idea of what I'm talking about. Using one movie as an example does not an effective argument make and you're being just as I rude as you said I was being.
 

reveal said:
When did the studio promise to let Joss Whedon film Serenity? Was it before or after it was cancelled? People bought DVDs and that transalated into money. That's what it's all about.

For the record, the online community that supported Firefly and made repeated efforts to get it renewed were in large part also responsible for the studio releasing the series on DVD. The sales from that release, were in large part as you note, thus responsible for the studio greenlighting the Serenity movie.

At the same time, the online community of loyal Browncoats did a lot more to generate buzz about Firefly than simply show that there was a fanbase there. They wrote to network heads, created petitions, staged events, donated to charity, took out advertising, and generally created a massive awareness that "hey, here we are!", which is somewhat more than seems to be currently happening with the Global Frequency fanbase.

In any case, the release of the pilot into the community cannot help but be positive for the show's chances. Just how positive and beneficial, however, depends on what else the fan community might do to further its chances of being picked up.
 

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