Things People Want

[James Gasik]

So I got to thinking about all the different things people want from D&D these days, and thought maybe I'd try to tabulate them all. If you or someone else's FAVORITE THING isn't on my list, feel free to add to it!

*Psionics.
*Warlords.
*Greyhawk.
*Gritty, Old-School Dungeon Crawling/Wilderness Survival.
*A Better Skill System.
*No Feats.
*Better Feats.
*No Spells.
*Better Spells.
*No Multiclassing.
*Better Multiclassing.
*Half-Orcs.
*No Orcs.
*Racial ASI's.
*No Ability Scores, only Bonuses.
*Magic to have Costs (backlash, super expensive, generally harder).
*Magic to be weaker, but still feel like magic.
*A better system for building encounters.
*No systems for building encounters.
*AD&D.
*4e.
*3e.
*Arcane Half-Casters.
*Bard Half-Casters.
*Non-Magical Rangers.
*Better Monks.
*No Monks.
*Old Forgotten Realms.
*More Forgotten Realms.
*No Forgotten Realms.
*More old settings.
*No old settings.
*Better rules for magic items/magic item creation.
*No magic, no money, shiv my own party members for a dented copper coin.
*Better Healing.
*No Healing Word.
*No Guidance.
*No Cantrips (Wizards throw darts, I say, darts! And oil!)
*Druids wearing metal armor.
*Druids turning into better creatures.
*Nobody turning into anything.
*More ASI's (typically, Stat Increases and Feats on separate tracks).
*No ASI's (only magic can raise ability scores!)
*"Name-Level" base building and followers.
*Birthright.
*Naval Combat.
*Mass Battle Rules.
*All the Races.
*Only Humans.
*More MtG settings.
*No MtG settings.
*Mystara.
*Blackmoor.
*Science Fantasy.
*No Science in my Fantasy.
*VTT.
*Vidya Games.
*Rules-Light.
*Rules-Heavy.
*Lots of options.
*No options.
*More DM power.
*Less DM power.
*More player power.
*Less player power.
*ROW ROW, FIGHT THE POWER.
*Level Up (this one's for you, Micah!)

Whew, I know I missed some, but I feel pretty confident that's got to be over 80% of the opinions I've seen in the past couple years.

 

[AnotherGuy]

*Silver Standard
*Use of word Race
*Do not use word Race
*No Alignment
*Paths
*No Mystara (have no faith in WotC doing it "right")
*Tiamat not being Takhisis
*No Raise Dead/Resurrection
*Greater cost to Raise Dead/Resurrection
*Divine spells walled off depending on Deity followed/worshipped
*Odd number ability scores count for something
*Lesser Advantage/Disadvantage
*Exhaustion integrated with Resources (HD, class features, class powers/abilities)
*High Level play (advice, modules)
*Faith system
*Less Hit Point bloat
*Touch Attacks

To be fair, I'd imagine many of us have dealt with certain aspects of these within our own table homebrew rules already

 

[James Gasik]

Your post reminded me of one!

*Exhaustion when dropping to 0 hit points.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Your list reads rather like:

Things people don't want...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Your list reads rather like:

Things people don't want...

That is the problem... if 10 people want _____ and 7 people will be mad if you include _ and 10peaople kinda are wanting to see but don't know if they would like __ and 73 people don't care weither ____ is in the book or not. then what is the right answer?

I will use warlord as my example, but anything on the list it works for... we know that some people will rally for the warlord, and some will ralley against it... what do you do? if you Don't include it you piss off some, if you DO include it you piss off other people...

 

[UngeheuerLich]

That is the problem... if 10 people want _____ and 7 people will be mad if you include _ and 10peaople kinda are wanting to see but don't know if they would like and 73 people don't care weither __ is in the book or not. then what is the right answer?

I will use warlord as my example, but anything on the list it works for... we know that some people will rally for the warlord, and some will ralley against it... what do you do? if you Don't include it you piss off some, if you DO include it you piss off other people...

It is just because people seem to like being pissed instead of just having fun.
I bet the Venn Diagramm of people pissed about WotC not doing a warlord and people pissed about the OGL stuff and people who never thought about looking up a 3rd party solution shows a big intersection...

 

[Sacrosanct]

Your list reads rather like:

Things people don't want...

It's a list of everything, including contradicting stuff. That's the point. It was meant to be tongue in cheek.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

It's a list of everything, including contradicting stuff. That's the point. It was meant to be tongue in cheek.

I know. I should have added to convey the tone better.

 

[James Gasik]

See but if I said "this is a list of things people don't want", then people who do want some of these things might be upset that I'm misrepresenting them!

 

[Emoshin]

*Rules-Light.
*Rules-Heavy.
*Lots of options.
*No options.
*More DM power.
*Less DM power.
*More player power.
*Less player power.

Ohhhh, so this is what OneD&D™ looks like

 

[James Gasik]

Ohhhh, so this is what OneD&D™ looks like

The Original Fantasy Role-Playing Game: Now For All Seasons!

 

[cwallach]

I'd like to see more uses for Str and Int, so they don't always get dumped.

 

[DEFCON 1]

I'd like to see more uses for Str and Int, so they don't always get dumped.

Heh heh... I'd like to see more DMs figure out ways to challenge their players with STR and INT checks so the players REGRET always dumping them, LOL!

At some point the onus should be put on the DMs to get the game they want rather than always lazing about waiting for WotC to do it.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

*No Mystara (have no faith in WotC doing it "right")

Based on my years on the old Mystara Mailing List, I suspect you can't find two Mystara fans to agree on what "right" would even consist of.

 

[Vael]

• 3 French Hens
• A Pony
• Gritty Combat
• Girthy Combat
• Wu Shu Combat
• Woo Sweeeet Combat
• Cake
• Pathfinder
• Powered by the Apocalypse
• Epic Rules
• Epic Rulez!
• Rules for Alignment
• Rules for Astrological Signs

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[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I don't think anyone is truly prepared for Gritty combat.

 

[aco175]

I'll just leave this;

 

[W'rkncacnter]

*guns
*no guns
*level 30
*no levels past 10
*gestalt rules
*removal of classes
*more alignment rules
*no alignment rules
*no alignment, not even for cosmic beings
*more varied weapons/armor
*weapons/armor as class features (i'm not kidding, i've seen people call for this)
*full caster artificers
*martial artificers (ok this one is me)
*a saving throw system that isn't inherently broken (OKAY, THIS ONE IS ALSO ME)

am i doing this right?

 

[James Gasik]

*guns
*no guns
*level 30
*no levels past 10
*gestalt rules
*removal of classes
*more alignment rules
*no alignment rules
*no alignment, not even for cosmic beings
*more varied weapons/armor
*weapons/armor as class features (i'm not kidding, i've seen people call for this)
*full caster artificers
*martial artificers (ok this one is me)
*a saving throw system that isn't inherently broken (OKAY, THIS ONE IS ALSO ME)

am i doing this right?

Yep, looks about right to me! Oh, I just remembered another one, weapon damage based on class!

 

[W'rkncacnter]

Yep, looks about right to me! Oh, I just remembered another one, weapon damage based on class!

oh yeah, i forgot about that one because my brain latched onto the more extreme "weapons/armor as class features". thanks.